Help me.. I wanna know The Eye Color of These morphs

Can Anyone tell me what eye color of these morphs? Vanilla, Fire, Lesser, pastel, Leopard, NORMAL and Cinnamon?

I am Newbie and I can't distinguish the Eye Color of My BP.

Please Help me. thanks :):):)

Your BP probably has normal brown eyes that look a little green in the sunlight on the top, since I'm guessing you have a normal bp as this is your first post.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Your BP probably has normal brown eyes that look a little green in the sunlight on the top, since I'm guessing you have a normal bp as this is your first post.

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ehmm okay thank you.... But do u know what vanilla's eye color?

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Originally Posted by lusiana

ehmm okay thank you.... But do u know what vanilla's eye color?

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Brown... Most balls, even morphs, have brown eyes. Eye color doesn't really mean your ball is a morph. I've even had normals with green, almost blue eyes.

If you are trying to find out if your ball is a morph, pics will be required. Unless it was sold to you as a morph, it is most likely a normal.

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Originally Posted by AK907

Brown... Most balls, even morphs, have brown eyes. Eye color doesn't really mean your ball is a morph. I've even had normals with green, almost blue eyes.

If you are trying to find out if your ball is a morph, pics will be required. Unless it was sold to you as a morph, it is most likely a normal.

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And, if you're trying to find out if your ball is a morph, no offense but it isn't if you bought it as a normal.

Guys- yeah a lot of people ask if their snakes are morphs.. don't jump on the 'YOU HAVE A NORMAL' bandwagon before the OP even ASKS if they have a morph or not. A little fast there. :P

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

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And, if you're trying to find out if your ball is a morph, no offense but it isn't if you bought it as a normal.

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I understand that in most cases you have a point. However I can personally say I bought a "normal" bp from petsmart, comes to find out she is spotnose het for pied. So all I'm gonna ask from all "in the know" or "expert breeders" please take the time, look at a pic or to and help out a fellow bp owner. Remember we all had to learn what we now know. :snake::colbert:

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Originally Posted by crazyj83

I understand that in most cases you have a point. However I can personally say I bought a "normal" bp from petsmart, comes to find out she is spotnose het for pied. So all I'm gonna ask from all "in the know" or "expert breeders" please take the time, look at a pic or to and help out a fellow bp owner. Remember we all had to learn what we now know. :snake::colbert:

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That is very very very rare, and while it is possible to get hets at a pet store for normal price, its almost unheard of to get a morph.

PS - what pic? None was provided :P

:colbert: back at you :P

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Originally Posted by crazyj83

I understand that in most cases you have a point. However I can personally say I bought a "normal" bp from petsmart, comes to find out she is spotnose het for pied. So all I'm gonna ask from all "in the know" or "expert breeders" please take the time, look at a pic or to and help out a fellow bp owner. Remember we all had to learn what we now know. :snake::colbert:

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Spotnose het for Pied from a Petsmart?? Got pics?

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

That is very very very rare, and while it is possible to get hets at a pet store for normal price, its almost unheard of to get a morph.

PS - what pic? None was provided :P

:colbert: back at you :P

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I was saying in general that most will just say " you bought it as a normal, its a normal". In this case a pic is required, as with any posts asking for an id. However my point is this is as I see it a great site to find help and answers for any herp issues, but it seems that when it comes to people asking for help on id of a possible morph or het trait, people are tight lipped... Maybe i'm wrong, but this is what I have noticed.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

Spotnose het for Pied from a Petsmart?? Got pics?

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indeed. I have a lovely dinker from petsmart that is a brilliant gold beyond any other normal I've seen, but did you really prove a het pied from a pet store? it's not unheard of, but jessica has a few good points.

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Originally Posted by crazyj83

I was saying in general that most will just say " you bought it as a normal, its a normal". In this case a pic is required, as with any posts asking for an id. However my point is this is as I see it a great site to find help and answers for any herp issues, but it seems that when it comes to people asking for help on id of a possible morph or het trait, people are tight lipped... Maybe i'm wrong, but this is what I have noticed.

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It would help if the OP was less vague, and then maybe we wouldn't have to assume things.

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Originally Posted by crazyj83

I was saying in general that most will just say " you bought it as a normal, its a normal". In this case a pic is required, as with any posts asking for an id. However my point is this is as I see it a great site to find help and answers for any herp issues, but it seems that when it comes to people asking for help on id of a possible morph or het trait, people are tight lipped... Maybe i'm wrong, but this is what I have noticed.

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In many cases if you buy something that is a normal than it most likely is. Sure there's that little possible chance it could be genetic or be a het that was listed as a normal. But morphs are worth more than normals, so people usually wouldn't list a morph as a normal.

Sometimes some users feel offended towards the choice of wording some of us use when we post. It's kind of like when someone is trying to be sarcastic over text, but you can't tel if they are being sarcastic because you aren't hearing it directly from them. We mean no harm and no hostility, but we put our point down so it is understood.

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... but it seems that when it comes to people asking for help on id of a possible morph or het trait, people are tight lipped...

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I don't think I've ever seen people being "tight lipped" when it comes to helping people identify their snakes. The problem is, a lot of the time, people come here asking for us to do the impossible. Show a picture of a normal looking ball python and then ask us what morph it is. Ask us what it might be het for. Ask us what het markers they should be looking for. Etc. As often as not, these sorts of questions simply don't have any "fun" answers.

If you bought a normal looking ball python with no known history...then your chances are probably somewhere around 98% certain that it has no specifically unique genetics. If you're told it is "het for something" but not what that something is...we're not going to be able to tell you.

After being asked similar questions over and over again, the answers do start all sounding the same. Not much we can do about that.

Frankly, I'm not at all sure where the OP is going with the question about eye colors. I didn't try to answer it, because I didn't really get what they were looking for. I'm not trying to be "tight lipped" or hold on to some great secret about morph identification. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

Spotnose het for Pied from a Petsmart?? Got pics?

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www.facebook.com/CrazyJ83 the pics are not the greatest yet... I'll post to photobucket asap and post on my own thread...lol.. Kinda blown this one up, sorry...

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Originally Posted by lusiana

Can Anyone tell me what eye color of these morphs? Vanilla, Fire, Lesser, pastel, Leopard, NORMAL and Cinnamon?

I am Newbie and I can't distinguish the Eye Color of My BP.
Please Help me. thanks :):):)

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All of these except pastel should have varied shades of brown. Pastel will have some shade of green eyes. The lesser may have eyes that are lighter on the top half as could the fire and vanilla. The cinnamon will have the darkest eyes of the group.

These eye colors often change when you add another morph to create a combo. For instance, cinnamons eyes will be grey, silver, or bluish when the pastel gene is added.

Some normals can have greenish grey eyes at the too half.

Really the only positive answer you can get here that is 100% true and accurate is that there is no definite eye color for some normals and some morphs and like was already said, it often can not be a deciding factor in anything..

just adding my 0.2c

this snake is from petco, just a normal but pretty at that. Always fun to think that there is a one in a million chance that shes het for something. Anything is possible. There was a thread on this site not to long ago about a guy that had some het Axanthic's and turns out they were DH for snow. even the person that produced them didnt know the albino was in there. I know of someone locally that bought a normal and come to find out it was a mystic. got a mystic potion from it this year. Although the odds of a "normal" being anything else are really low there are plenty of mistakes made. The people who provide the pet stores can make mistake when they grab everything normal looking to ship off the petco and ooops grabbed the wrong one. just saying anything is possible..

This is my girl i bought from petco named "petco"
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/v...7/DSCF9702.jpg
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/v...7/DSCF9696.jpg

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

All of these except pastel should have varied shades of brown. Pastel will have some shade of green eyes. The lesser may have eyes that are lighter on the top half as could the fire and vanilla. The cinnamon will have the darkest eyes of the group.

These eye colors often change when you add another morph to create a combo. For instance, cinnamons eyes will be grey, silver, or bluish when the pastel gene is added.

Some normals can have greenish grey eyes at the too half.

Really the only positive answer you can get here that is 100% true and accurate is that there is no definite eye color for some normals and some morphs and like was already said, it often can not be a deciding factor in anything..

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(and thank you for getting this back on topic...I couldn't see where the op was asking ANYTHING about whether or not he had a morph):gj:

Hey Guys.... This is The Pic of My BP. I wanna know if this is Normal or Vanilla or ?????????????

Comment Please....

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1...1000006.th.jpg

and This is The Belly

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2...1400078.th.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9...1000011.th.jpg

another picture

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7...1400077.th.jpg
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3...000009x.th.jpg

and It has the Brown Eyes...... The Breeder and Seller in Indonesia not so smart, so I ask anyone from another country

so What do you think guys??

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...1110-00006.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...1110-00009.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...1114-00077.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...1110-00011.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/...1114-00078.jpg

that's my BP guys.... so what do you think?

Well he's definitely interesting. I know nothing of the subtle morphs, but I will say he has a really cool pattern(very few alien heads, it's also very reduced and banded) as well as a lot of nice blushing. REALLY gorgeous. Until it's proven out as genetic, I wouldn't be too sure of anything though. Pretty much normal until proven otherwise(though normal or not, all snakes will pass on their genetics, and I would be happy to have a normal like that!) Would be fun to breed out to other morphs to see if anything comes of it though if you are interested in breeding. :)

It's really very pretty. It does look like a reduced pattern/banded type normal. At this point it does not look like any type of morph but you can always breed it to see if it proves to be anything else.

Okeyy... So this is "Normal" for a while until I breed it. Thanks for ur advises. But does anyone have any idea for this??

Looks normal to me. Neat pattern.


Oh... and looks like my assumption was right :P :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

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And, if you're trying to find out if your ball is a morph, no offense but it isn't if you bought it as a normal.

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Not hard for me to imagine someone selling a less conspicuous morph as a normal.

Maybe, but it would be a dumb thing to do.

Hmmm... The Seller said it's Normal, but He gave me expensive price coz He said The Snake is a "SPECIAL NORMAL". I bought it 400 USD.... But as newbie, I want to Find out if it's really normal or not. coz I see she looks very similiar to Vanilla or Fire/Sulfur