Bumble Bee Vs. Killer Bee Please help.

Lets say you mate a bumble bee to a pastel. You get 4 eggs.... 2 pastels, 1 spider, and one bee thing. How do you know if the bee thing is a bumble bee or a killer bee?

What exactly should one look for when trying to identify one of the two?

Thanks,

Mike

I think killer bees are much whiter when they first hatch.

I believe the differences is in the blacks. Killer Bees seem to have almost gray appearence to the blacks. Their heads are also much lighter in color than bumble bees. I've never hatched either, but when looking at killer bees and bumble bees those are the differences I see.

The difference in the two is pretty obvious.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...deBee_2561.jpg

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

The difference in the two is pretty obvious.

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Hold that thought.. i will post a pic of one that I am not sure on in about 2 or 3 hours.

should be the same diff of a pastel (bee) and a super pastel (killer)

Here's a clutch with one of each, right out of the eggs. Bumblebee is top right, killerbee is bottom right.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/z...40_hatched.jpg

Looks to me like the black (especially on the head) is faded quite a bit on a killerbee.

So is it possible for a bee to have fading inside of its black stripes? Or is that only killers?

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

So is it possible for a bee to have fading inside of its black stripes? Or is that only killers?

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The Bee I hatched this year has fading in the black......not alot, but it's there.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC_0056-1.jpg

here is the girl in question... I did not make her...

She was a slow starter food wise, but is now eating regularly. She was born in June, so that makes her 5 months old. Dad was a bumble bee. Mom was a pastel.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2532.jpg

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2535.jpg

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2531.jpg

What do you think and WHY?

thanks!

I guess its pretty easy when you have both in a clutch but I understand where your confusion might be if you only hatched one of the two. I think the best indicator is the head, killer bees have barely any pattern on their heads.

Look like a very nice bee to me. The killer bee usually has much more faded stripes at that size IMO. Definitely a hard one though.

First look on the head pattern also make me think bee, just doesnt pop to the killer:gj:

Bee. I hatched both this year. A killer will have grey lines not black on the body and the head would have little to no pattern. My avatar is the killer I hatched.

Bumblebee for sure. Darker pattern.. Spots. it's a nice bee :)

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Originally Posted by jluman

Here's a clutch with one of each, right out of the eggs. Bumblebee is top right, killerbee is bottom right.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/z...40_hatched.jpg

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Just so I can get some practice in identifying morphs...

Top Left = Normal (could be a het though)
Top Mid = Pinstripe
Top Right = Bumble Bee
Bottom Left = Super Pastel
Bottom Mid = Lemon Blast?
Bottom Right = Killer Bee

Am I right?


PS. I didn't read the description so never mind the Bees ><

bottom middle looks like a killer blast to me.

without a head shot the bottom left could be just a pastel
top left wouldnt be het for anything if they are all from the same clutch, no recessive genes in the pool that are seen;)

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

here is the girl in question... I did not make her...

She was a slow starter food wise, but is now eating regularly. She was born in June, so that makes her 5 months old. Dad was a bumble bee. Mom was a pastel.

[IG]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n491/mcavanaphoto/IMG_2532.jpg[/IMG]

[IG]http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n491/mcavanaphoto/IMG_2535.jpg[/IMG]

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2531.jpg

What do you think and WHY?

thanks!

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Not a killer, Killers are dramatically cleaner.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

here is the girl in question... I did not make her...

She was a slow starter food wise, but is now eating regularly. She was born in June, so that makes her 5 months old. Dad was a bumble bee. Mom was a pastel.

What do you think and WHY?

thanks!

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Almost looks like a humble bee at the back end? Maybe hidden ghost gene? I see what you mean though..bumblebee head, killer bee body...

I know it might be a waste and if there is a "het" in there it wouldnt show but couldnt you pair her with a normal male to break her down to what is in her:confused:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I know it might be a waste and if there is a "het" in there it wouldnt show but couldnt you pair her with a normal male to break her down to what is in her:confused:

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yea, because if you have the super pastel gene in there, you should get pastels at the least right? and if you get normals would it be just the pastel gene?

Mike I'm gonna vote bee here, mine looks astonishingly like yours, but this picture is without the flash. She's probably a little bigger and thus darker here though.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...4/img_7677.jpg

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Originally Posted by Reakt20

yea, because if you have the super pastel gene in there, you should get pastels at the least right? and if you get normals would it be just the pastel gene?

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No, because (unless I am wrong) pastel is a Co-Dominate gene, which means that even if it is just the pastel gene showing you could get normals and pastels. A pastel x normal pairing would result in both normals and pastels, but the number of each would be based on luck.

a super pastel parent will not have any normals in the clutch.

so being that a killer bee is a super pastel spider, there should be no normals if bred to a normal. I'm pretty sure this is correct. im gonna check the gene wizard.

yep, like I thought. a killer bee to a normal will give you 50% bees and 50% pastels.