being sold as a pastel

so i found a pet store an hour away from me that has a better snake collection then ive seen at one and he's got this bp for sale as a pastel but i dont think thats wat it is and im looking for someone more experienced to help me figure it out. the guy also doesnt know how to probe so sex is unknown but for 125 its pretty good either way.

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That looks like a wierd Black Pastel looking thing... Not a Pastel

I can't tell if it has a lot of stuck shed, odd coloring or if the odd coloring is scaring. :confused:

I don't see any pastel in it, but it does have some nice blushing.

I' m thinking Black Pastel also but definately not a Pastel

he does have a bit of stuck shed on his neck but that bout it. oh and his belly is completely clean but he was having none of that.

I am not sure what is going on with the top of that snake. It has an interesting pattern. Looks like their may be something there but not a Pastel! Pastels have faded heads and green eyes!

Need pictures in natural light. The flash is making colors hard to see. Looks black pastel to my untrained eyes but not pastel.

natural light isnt possible today because of the rain and phone cameras suck especially with a wiggly snake. i knew he wasnt a pastel but i was thinking mojave or more likely black pastel. im not too good with spotting more subtle morphs though.

talk him down!

hard to tell.. pattern looks neat.. but a better photo would help, once he is cleaned up

- NOT a pastel
- stuck shed
- scarring, likely from rat bites

I'd say that snake is worth negative $50.

yeah i was going to say it looks like that snake has some pretty severe scarring.

and as others have said, not pastel.

The brown areas are identical looking to my granites. I think it might be a new line, but the fading might mean it's a super granite.

Looks like most of the "scars" are on the top. This could be burns from a heat lamp or something. I do agree that he has a very nice pattern but the condition of the snake seems to be pretty bad.

don't support crap places like that, regardless of what morph it is.

From what I saw of the snake in person ( I am the op's roommate and was there) what a majority of you are saying are scars only seemed to be stuck shed. I dont know for a fact as I am by far no expert and did not handle the snake as he did.

I dont LIKE supporting crap petstores that dont know enough about their animals to even sell them correctly. But if I find a possible good deal on a sweet morph I would jump on buying it. Having said that, an INTENSE QT would be needed after purchase. As long as the snake seemed visibly healthy (no symptoms of visible RI or mites) I would purchase it.

Your snake does have some intense scarring. The stuck shed can be fixed with proper husbandry. He seems well fed, not thin looking. I think with the right care you could have a neat snake and this could be a good deal for you if you plan to breed. Just get us some better natural light photos so we can confirm the morph. And if we cant you'll just have to breed him to prove him out! :P

i doubt it is a new line of anything. Agreed though, don't support places like that. That is only promoting them to purchase more for resale. Confront him about the snake.

On the defense of the store guys this snake and some others where brought to the store in this condition by a woman who fell ill and could not take care of her snakes anymore. Now the boas they had that they raised looked in amazing shape. Only real issue we saw with husbandry was humidity was to low. The snake was brought to them as "pastel" I know the guy was open about the fact he does not like snakes and his wife handles them who had left shortly before our arrival.

i dunno, still seems sketchy to me.

if you know it's not a pastel wouldn't you label it as "unknown morph?"

just seems like the right thing to do. getting a stuck shed off can usually be accomplished with one simple soak and a bath towel.

i'd be willing to take a snake like that for free if the store doesn't have any interest in rehabilitating it, and especially if one of them is squeemish about it. but if they gave the woman who fell ill any money for these snakes, that they didn't want and weren't that interested in then they're not the smartest pickles in the jar.

if you're running a business why not have the best, most well-cared for animals on display for sale?

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Originally Posted by pbjtime8908

natural light isnt possible today because of the rain and phone cameras suck especially with a wiggly snake. i knew he wasnt a pastel but i was thinking mojave or more likely black pastel. im not too good with spotting more subtle morphs though.

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You may actually be right about the Mojave, it does have a Mojave like pattern with the yellow/beige on top, and the greyish coloration on the sides. It also has some blushing, so it might be a pastave that is not showing much of the pastel.

Remember there are some animals that show their morphs well, and some that don't show much. The only way to be sure would be to breed him to normal females and see. Since both pastel and Mojave are dominant morph, you will see in the offspring what comes out.

I would definitely buy the animal if it was me, but would bargain the price down because of the poor condition of the sheds. Also maybe help the pet shop owner a bit, and tell him to give the snakes a bigger water bowl. Seems it's pretty dry in his shop.

SquamishSerpents I agree with what you are saying thats for sure. I dont know the situation exactly on these particular snakes. I dont think they had had them for long however, they didn't even have all of their prices up yet. I know really I was not to impressed with quality we just saw a cheap possible addition to our collection that we hope to breed in the future and wanted to know what was up with this particular snake as we are quite sure its not a normal and positive it was not a pastel.

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You may actually be right about the Mojave, it does have a Mojave like pattern with the yellow/beige on top, and the greyish coloration on the sides. It also has some blushing, so it might be a pastave that is not showing much of the pastel.

Remember there are some animals that show their morphs well, and some that don't show much. The only way to be sure would be to breed him to normal females and see. Since both pastel and Mojave are dominant morph, you will see in the offspring what comes out.

I would definitely buy the animal if it was me, but would bargain the price down because of the poor condition of the sheds. Also maybe help the pet shop owner a bit, and tell him to give the snakes a bigger water bowl. Seems it's pretty dry in his shop.

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Helping them would be a great thing to do. I know they just bought the shop themselves in May and are still contacting the original owner to sort things out. The owner seemed to have the right ideas as he wants to sex the snakes..so that may be a good start for him and his wife lol.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

That looks like a wierd Black Pastel looking thing... Not a Pastel

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X2 it is not a Pastel and it looks like a Black Pastel. Not Granit, Mojave or anything new. Seams like alot of people are putting down the shop owner without having any idea of how he/she maintains Their shop. It was stated that the animals came to the shop in that condition so I don't understand all of the bashing.

as drkness said this snake was brought in along with at least 2 normals all in one tank. i didnt have too much time to look at the normals but from what i saw they were in a similar condition of healthy looking with a little stuck shed. the browning i dont think is burns but ive also never seen a snake thats been burnt to any degree so that could be it.

the owner of the shop was super open about everything, including not knowing how to sex, where they got them from, that he's scared of snakes and lets his wife handle to reptiles and all the other questions we had.

i dont agree with how the husbandry is set up and even pointed out one baby normal bp who had a bunch of stuck shed on him and he told me he'd let his wife know when she got back to the store and unfortunately we had to leave before she got back.

me and drkness both knew right away that the snake wasnt a pastel but really had no real idea of wat morph it was and everything thats been suggested shows me thats its definitely something interesting for me and if the snake is still there when i get paid then ill definitely pick it up with natural light photos at the top of the list of things to do.

thnx again.