Bumble bee x bumble bee....what would I get?

What would be my odds? I'm not good with punnett squares.

1/16 Normal
2/16 Pastel
3/16 Spider
6/16 Bumblebee
1/16 Super Pastel
3/16 Killer Bee

You can always use http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ if you prefer to stay away from punnett squares

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...thanks yall, well I know what I'm breeding this winter :D

The breeding seems a bit pointless. Breeding two spider genes together would not give you any great morph. You'd get better odds breeding a Bee to a Super pastel or a lemon blast. Maybe even a pewter? Would give you alot more/better outcomes

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Originally Posted by ImBooBy

The breeding seems a bit pointless. Breeding two spider genes together would not give you any great morph. You'd get better odds breeding a Bee to a Super pastel or a lemon blast. Maybe even a pewter? Would give you alot more/better outcomes

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I HARDLY think that taking your chances and trying to produce this beauty, is a "pointless breeding"

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Originally Posted by DeadLegs

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I HARDLY think that taking your chances and trying to produce this beauty, is a "pointless breeding"

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The snake in the pic is an axanthic killer bee, so you wouldn't get him from bee X bee. I don't think it would be pointless to breed bee x bee, but ImBooBy is saying that you could breed a bee with other stuff, and have a chance at producing killer bees, but also have a chance at some other stuff too.

Just my two cents.

Do you already own breeding age bees? If not... a lesser, a butter, or a fire thrown into the mix would make some awesome clutches.

I'll be breeding them because I can get a pair of them for $500. Great deal, if you ask me.

Just my opinion, getting a PAIR of bees with spider genes, you are not only breeding siblings here with the spider gene that you would actually want to OUTCROSS instead of line breed, you would be a LOT better off asking the seller if they have a super pastel to breed and then you would have the chance to get

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Which is not only better odds to get a killer bee, you can get super pastels and you will have bees, and then of course your pastels.

Oh, and if you pair to a lemonblast, you can still get that killer bee, in fact look at all you can get:
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LOTS of neat stuff.

I know it's more expensive with a lemon blast, so if you're on a budget, I would ask the seller if they have any super pastels for a group buy to go with your bumblebee. I still don't understand why you would want to breed two sibling spider gene carrying snakes. It makes no logical sense.



Also, that picture above is the axanthic killer bee as already stated, so there is no argument there.

PS do not forget, if you're getting a "great deal" on a couple of snakes, make sure it is from a reputable source. Someone here on the forums or a local friend I hope. I don't see it going well otherwise.

It is a great price. For that price I'd buy them both and then think about trading one to someone for a superpastel, lemonblast or something else.

I'm not sure if you know this, but crossing spider x spider can cause serious problems. Research this phenomena before deciding on a project containing the gene on both sides.

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but crossing spider x spider can cause serious problems.

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What serious problems?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

What serious problems?

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Ahh...poor choice of words. What I am referring to is would be the so called homogenous spider gene being lethal. Not proven, as I'm sure is where this is headed, but why breed a bumblebee x bumblebee when you could technically cross a bumblebee with a pastel and get the same snakes, and probably a bigger clutch, if one believes that if the spider x spider will give you a loss rather than a regular spider. In my opinion, seems like a waste of a two gene snake in the pairing to me.
Here's a thread I found on it.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...pider-x-spider

On the otherhand, 2 bumblebees for 500 is a great deal. I just wouldn't pair them together personally.

I would breed a bee to a lemonblast or super pastel, or even a pastel butter/lesser.

Breeding two spider genes together is something I try to avoid just because of the neuro issues. It seems safer to breed one spider gene to a different morph to hopefully minimize the impact of the spider neuro.

Especially 2 related spider genes. What's worse than crossing spider genes is line breeding them. Just saying.

hey could someone do one of those fancy box charts for me? I'm interested in breeding a Pewter with a Lemon Blast... not sure what I will get... that website posted here doesn't show Pewter.. thanks!

adam

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Originally Posted by adam_degel

hey could someone do one of those fancy box charts for me? I'm interested in breeding a Pewter with a Lemon Blast... not sure what I will get... that website posted here doesn't show Pewter.. thanks!

adam

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adam, here you go. this is all you need.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Edit: But here is your results:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wi...2&female=32,84

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Originally Posted by Reakt20

adam, here you go. this is all you need.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

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hey man.. thanks, but i checked that site and I cannot find pewter or lemon blast there!? maybe its still too early for me :sleepy:

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Originally Posted by adam_degel

hey man.. thanks, but i checked that site and I cannot find pewter or lemon blast there!? maybe its still too early for me :sleepy:

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you have to hold the ctrl button when you click on the genes. you have to break it down like pewter is a cinnamon and pastel so hold ctrl and click on pastel and cinnamon. same with lemonblast. a lemonblast is a pin and pastel so do the same and you will get your results. i also posted them in an edit so check it out. looks like an awesome pairing!

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Originally Posted by johnmauser

It is a great price. For that price I'd buy them both and then think about trading one to someone for a superpastel, lemonblast or something else.

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This is what I would probably do as well.

Please excuse my hijack...

Can you guys recommend breeding partners for a pinstripe?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by JohnNJ

Please excuse my hijack...

Can you guys recommend breeding partners for a pinstripe?

Thanks.

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pastel, super pastel, spider, cinny, fire, enchi, yb....its really up to you. any combo is an added bonus. its all up to you though. whatever you like, you should use.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

Breeding two spider genes together is something I try to avoid just because of the neuro issues. It seems safer to breed one spider gene to a different morph to hopefully minimize the impact of the spider neuro.

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...incorrect. Combo spider morphs have the same neuro issues as spiders.

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Originally Posted by JohnNJ

Please excuse my hijack...

Can you guys recommend breeding partners for a pinstripe?

Thanks.

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I personally like kingpins(lesserxpin)and jigsaws(mojavexpin). They're gorgeous animals.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

...incorrect. Combo spider morphs have the same neuro issues as spiders.

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I know they do. My reasoning is that there's a chance of LESSENING the effect of the spider neuro, not necessarily eliminating it.

It just seems like breeding two spider morphs together, besides the theoretical lethal combo, means a greater chance for neuro issues. But I'm certainly not saying this is fact, just my own personal belief.

Not to mention two related spider morphs together is inbreeding for this undesired genetic trait. You don't want to inbreed for something like that.

i personally wouldn't breed 2 bees together. not because of this rare lethal spider x spider combo, but because i would want to get something else in the mix! you've got pastel x pastel which means you already have a shot at a super pastel, a bee, or a killerbee; but if you get a different pastel combo morph to throw into the mix, like a lemon blast, or a pewter, then you can get a chance to make some even deeper designer morphs! heck, with the money you save with this sweet deal, you can get a male morph for your female bee, and a different female morph for the male bee!