anything pop into your head?

I know im going out on a limb here but im impatient on trying to figure out what she is het for so are they any markings that pop out to you? i know the het pied ringer and tracks the het ghosts tend to be lighter and het albino tend to have alot of white outlining but i know not all do.....does anything on this girl suggest anything at all to you? im about 98% sure shes normal ph something??
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shes got plenty of blushing but its not bright blushings they are kinda hidden
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I thought that many hets do not show any makers, only some do (like the het pied tracks) - for example, some het pieds do have them while some do not. Then on that hand some plain normals have the tracks but they arn't het pieds. The only way to prove that she's het for anything is to breed her and try to prove her out. Personally, I don't see any het "markings".

I see the white like in het Albinos but that doesn't guarantee anything! What did you buy her as? If you bought her as a normal then she probably isn't het for anything because they would tell you and sell her for more! You can always buy a Double Het Albino/Pied male to test it out! Good Luck!

That's the one you got from the breeder that was selling all his hets as normals right?

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im about 98% sure shes normal ph something??

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Based on what?

To me het markers are an okay (at best) way to pick out PH snakes in which you know what the pairing was, but to just pick up a random snake and say you think it is het because of...? Grab a handful of normal BP's...They must all be het for something because they all will look different. It looks like a very nice normal with lots of flaming to me.

Agreed with some above statements. There is no way to know if she is het for anything unless you know the parents. If you got her as a normal, she's probably just a normal.

Normal until proven any different.

Even if she was to be het for a recessive gene you would need to breed her to every recessive male out there just so you can prove her out which at the end might be expensive

But than again you can always buy a male hypo, albino, caramel albino, lavender albino, axanthic, ultramel, clown , pied, genetic stripe, tri stripe, desert ghost and see what happens. ;)

the breeder said he mixed all of his hets together to sell them as normals so they went faster so it was less for him to take back home with him im going to breed her to a spider when shes big enough then breed a son back to her to see all i was asking is if there are any markers people have noticed that i didnt

i can see everyone elses opinions very clearly, so dont bash me, but its got a white belly and nice blushing. I think its a het for something.

The only way you can be positive is if you breed it out.

can i see the picture of the top of the head?

http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/...-13_191300.jpg
lol i just had a friend tell me i stole her from him haha he wants her he thinks shes a het red but thats not what i meant by her being het lol

If you know what recessives the guy you bought her from is breeding, you would at least know what to try pairing her with.
She still may be normal, lol.

lol i asked him while i was there his answer was albinos, ghosts, pieds, and clowns so yeah i either can try pairing a het albino with her and possibly hit the wrong het or just take an extra year and breed her own offspring to her with a spider gene in there

She's got lovely flames, so I would pair her up with a yellowbelly, myself.

ill see what males i have when shes fattened up i kinda thought spider or mojave?

I would not trust a breeder that says he put all his hets into one tank because as a breeder, you know that other breeders want to know what they have. Also Hets are worth alot more money than normals and you would not want to lose out on possible 1000s of dollars! A Clown Het Fenale is worth about $1000 alone! He probaly told you that to sell his normals fast! Normals are hard to sell! If you breed her to a Spider and she is Het for something than the babies would be 50% possible Het so you still may not hit it! I would breed her Spider son back to her so even if you do not hit the Het, you will at least get some more Spiders out of it! Good luck!

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I would breed her Spider son back to her so even if you do not hit the Het, you will at least get some more Spiders out of it! Good luck!

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:D thats the plan she was only $25 so either way I wont complain

I've seen hets sold as normals, but the one's I've seen it done with is the males. An '11 het albino male or even an '11 het pied male really isn't that much in demand seeing as the visuals are being produced often enough to make them affordable.

I've seen 50% PH albino females for as little as 50 bucks. So if that girl is het for anything I'm thinking she's more than likely PH albino or pied, ghost, off chance PH clown--one of the recessive morphs that has been around long enough that the visuals and 100% hets are now more reasonably priced.

Regardless, she's a nice looking snake and getting a nicer than average normal at the right price isn't all that shabby and she still gives you some good breeding possibilities with codom and dominate morphs even if she never proves out het for anything.

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I've seen hets sold as normals, but the one's I've seen it done with is the males. An '11 het albino male or even an '11 het pied male really isn't that much in demand seeing as the visuals are being produced often enough to make them affordable.

I've seen 50% PH albino females for as little as 50 bucks. So if that girl is het for anything I'm thinking she's more than likely PH albino or pied, ghost, off chance PH clown--one of the recessive morphs that has been around long enough that the visuals and 100% hets are now more reasonably priced.

Regardless, she's a nice looking snake and getting a nicer than average normal at the right price isn't all that shabby and she still gives you some good breeding possibilities with codom and dominate morphs even if she never proves out het for anything.

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Het females are never sold as normals! PH females are just normals until proven so they are often sold as normals! $25 is a good price for a normal female regardless!

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Het females are never sold as normals! PH females are just normals until proven so they are often sold as normals! $25 is a good price for a normal female regardless!

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It was at Tinley on the last day of the show close to shutting down time he had all the other recessive genes out on the table but no hets.. there has to be hets.. I believe the guy I wish I could remember the name of the guy or still had the paper with the location of tables on it I remember exactly where it was but not the name but he was a big name why would he risk his name by saying that? I already had her in a bag in my hand and already gave him the money so he didnt say it just to get me to buy her? thats another thing he said shes just PH.. just my thought either way I decided she will be paired with a mojave not a spider and then I will figure out what shes hiding from me I still dont have a name for her everything I thought of doesnt fit her

as others have said.. maybe you got a het from the grab bag.. but there is NO way to find out without breeding it.. there are NO proven "het" markers.. just "guidelines" which usually only help when you have an idea of what you are looking at..

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But than again you can always buy a male hypo, albino, caramel albino, lavender albino, axanthic, ultramel, clown , pied, genetic stripe, tri stripe, desert ghost and see what happens. ;)

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I wish I could afford those especially the het tri stripes that I saw at the NARBC show I would love to get one of those female lol I cant ever have a caramel albino again after my girl died but clown would be an amazing suprise lol

The main thing is that you enjoy her!

het red is a visual morph.

Anyway, as stated, there are no guarantees about het markers and they cannot always be verified.

I'm sure you may have gotten a het from the breeder and everything but as Deborah said, you are gonna have a heck of a time figuring it out.

Not that it isn't a pretty snake, but I wouldn't buy a snake that was an unknown het simply for this reason; it will take luck to get it right and there is no sure fire way of knowing. Nothing wrong with buying it to have a normal though.

Im not gonna go buy a bunch of hets to guess lol ill just wait to breed a son or two to her it takes the guessing and spending out of it but again i didnt buy her because she was het for something i didnt know till after i already had her in my hands and he had money in his

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lol i asked him while i was there his answer was albinos, ghosts, pieds, and clowns...

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Most of these hets still sell for a decent penny, so I would assume het hypo or het albino maybe? I don't know why he would sell a het clown or het pied female as a normal...really any het females for that matter.

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I believe the guy I wish I could remember the name of the guy or still had the paper with the location of tables on it I remember exactly where it was but not the name but he was a big name why would he risk his name by saying that?

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You know he was a "big name" breeder, but have no idea who he was after buying a snake from him? I can still name the breeder of every snake I've ever purchased...even after several years and never actually meeting them. Just saying...

Needless to say...As you've already stated, the best way to try to prove this animal out is to breed one of it's offspring back to it in the future and hope it's a het. Best of luck with that.