Bllue eyed lucy

Whats the biggest difrence between a lesser to lesser or a lesser to mojo blue eyed lucy. Ive seen several pics of both but sometime the mojo one is the whitest and sometime its more yellow but the lesser to lesser is the same. Do you have the same odds of getting a higher white with the lessers. Or are they the same. Very confused on the butter, mojo, and lesser difrence.

Very debatable subject, I've heard so many times "this combo is the whitest" blah blah blah. Really over all it's a white snake and pretty when it's all set it done. A pied is a pied beautiful any way I look at it and so is a blue eyed luci what ever combo made it. IMO

Mojo x Mojo seem to get that 'dirty head' look to them more often, but then I've heard that Lesser x Lesser have a tendency for bug eyes, so each have their own issues. The dirty head can look kinda cute, and Lesser x Mojo seems to avoid most of these issues anyway.

well im getting a male mojo in a few weeks and i already plan on getting a lesser female to breed with my pinstripe (years to come) but i just wanted to make sure that the L to M was just as good a pair instead of trying to get a lesser male and female. Ultimately i want to have a lucy and an emporer pin.

Yeah, you should be fine with Lesser x Mojo. I'm planning on doing Lesser x Butter for BELs once I get to that stage, but thats only because I don't really like the coloring of Mojos /shrug.

talking to people who work with them, most say lesser/lesser is the whitest

yeah i thought about doing the same and didnt really like mojos myself but the make some really cool combos and i cant pass up the one im getting he's the best mojo ive ever seen

I'm doing butter to Mojave this year but also planning on doing butter to butter next year if the girls are ready.

It will be awhile for me so ide love to see everyones pics when its all said and done

not my snakes but i searched the inter-web ^.^

butterxmojave

http://www.world-of-reptiles.com/zuc..._eyed_lucy.jpg

butter butter

http://richmondconstrictors.com/site...s/2flucyhm.jpg

lesser mojave
http://www.vmsherp.com/images/ForSal...s/K017-01M.jpg

mojavexmojave
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/images/morph2208bel.jpg

lesser lesser

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...lesser/001.jpg



i like super lesser cuz its *.* sooo white and the super mojave cus the dirty heads pretty cool

thanks for the help having them right next to each other really helped me see the diffrences. thanks Naginibellatrix

Adding the Russo gene really cleans up the blue eyed leucy also. The Russo x Russo is called the White Diamond and is pure white with crystal blue eyes.

Mine is a Lesser x Russo leucy.

Lesser x Russo..

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...DSCF1345-1.gif

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/IMG_0443.png

Can of worms coming...but isn't a butter x butter the same as a lesser x lesser pairing? I know it's dabatable that butters and lessers are or are not the same morph but was just curious...

Some think so. I'm on the fence about it because I've bred butters and lessers. My leucy (lesser x russo) produced lessers that were definitely very easy to tell apart from the butters that my female butter het ghost produced. They did look very different but I have seen "butters" advertised that looked like lessers and vice versa.

I'm personally a big fan of the super mojave. I don't think of it as a "dirty" head though, I think of it as a purple head, and I like purple. :D

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

The Russo x Russo is called the White Diamond and is pure white with crystal blue eyes.

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actually I've never seen a pure white one in real life, they all had a yellow dorsal stripe. I've seen pictures online of white ones though. But as far as I can see, its not the way to go for pure white.

Thanks for all the input everyone. I'm going with mojo to lesser because I will be getting a little mojo boy in a trade in a few weeks and my lesser girl will be here in a month.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Some think so. I'm on the fence about it because I've bred butters and lessers. My leucy (lesser x russo) produced lessers that were definitely very easy to tell apart from the butters that my female butter het ghost produced. They did look very different but I have seen "butters" advertised that looked like lessers and vice versa.

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I wonder how much of that is just bloodline, though ... Think about how different a really GOOD, "pure-bred" lemon pastel jungle looks from a really GOOD blonde pastel. They're technically the same morph, but when selected for different traits can come out looking very different.

I wonder, if you bred the leucy male to the butter het ghost female, if you'd be able to tell the difference then ... (Not being snarky; I actually do wonder. If you could, that would suggest that they are different; if the babies looked like a blend of both parents that would strongly suggest, to me, that they were the same.)

I tend to think of them as the exact same thing based on the fact that, to me, their combos look fundamentally the same -- some variation due to bloodline and quality, but overall the same. Mojave combos, by comparison, look totally different ...

To the OP, I bred lesser x mojo this year and got some overall very clean white babies with the faintest hint of head pattern. They're all around 200 grams now and even that's starting to fade. None of them have bug-eyes ... However, one of the girls IS cross-eyed. So, I can no longer say that I think the lesser x mojo combo is "perfect" (though I do think the cross-eyes are more innocuous than the big bug-eyes).

Pile o' mojo x lessers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...dyxApollo2.jpg

Cross-eyed?


Personally I like mojo x mojo the best of the blue eyes.

but I think the Mocha is a cool snake. Dan Sutherland had a couple at the recent Anahiem show, and I was happy to pick up a female. I am not sure how the Mocha works in with other Blue Eyed Complex snakes, but males are only $150 or so, and my female looks way nicer than I thought she would look.

Dave

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP4676.jpg

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Originally Posted by wax32

Cross-eyed?


Personally I like mojo x mojo the best of the blue eyes.

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I'll try to get a picture of it, though it is subtle.

I'd be interested to know if any of the other BELs (super mojo, white diamond, etc) ever have that issue.