snake lab / Chris Guida (split from "If it's too good to be true...")

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Its a money thing. No matter what i charge i will always be able to deal with other breeders. I have dealt with them for years and still will in the future. The bottom line is its a money thing. If ya got the cash they will sell you the animals. Noone is going to get black listed for dropping prices. Maybe if you were in the breeding/ buisness side of it you would understand.

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oh yeah? This has been coming for a while now. Time to call you out. :O

My name is Mike Cavanaugh. I am located in Jacksonville Florida on the Southside by Regency Square Mall. My cell phone number is (904) 318-3333. I breed ball pythons out of my house. I am licensed to show and sell class III animals (including ball pythons) in the state of Florida. I sell about 30% of my hatchlings thru craigslist. The other 70% are sold to returning customers and thru referrals. In 2011 I produced 129 hatchlings. I have an outstanding reputation. Feel free to ask around. I will be happy to provide references

So now that you know who I am what is your name again? What is the name of your business? If you are such a well known breeder, who has been in the business for as long as you claim, and have no worry of being black listed for your business practices... If you know all these big name breeders like you say you do... you should have no problem identifying yourself. In fact, if you ask the mods they will even change your username to your actual name.


1, 2, 3, go.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

oh yeah? This has been coming for a while now. Time to call you out. :O

My name is Mike Cavanaugh. I am located in Jacksonville Florida on the Southside by Regency Square Mall. My cell phone number is (904) 318-3333. I breed ball pythons out of my house. I am licensed to show and sell class III animals (including ball pythons) in the state of Florida. I sell about 30% of my hatchlings thru craigslist. The other 70% are sold to returning customers and thru referrals. In 2011 I produced 129 hatchlings. I have an outstanding reputation. Feel free to ask around. I will be happy to provide references

So now that you know who I am what is your name again? What is the name of your business? If you are such a well known breeder, who has been in the business for as long as you claim, and have no worry of being black listed for your business practices... If you know all these big name breeders like you say you do... you should have no problem identifying yourself. In fact, if you ask the mods they will even change your username to your actual name.


1, 2, 3, go.

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Yes... Im waiting for his Name and Business name to come out. So we all can see who he really is and can see some interesting reads...

I know who he is, but i want him to come out about it,read some interesting long stuff about him

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

I know who he is, but i want him to come out about it,read some interesting long stuff about him

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"Anonymous" just ain't what it used to be...is it? :P

My name is chris guida i worked for and was part owner of cmg reptiles. We were a breeder/ wholesaler of all reptiles. We did on average of 250 to 300 sales of live reptiles a month to individual customers as well as other vendors and pet stores. We bought from importers, captive breeders, and other wholesalers. We also did shows on the east coast. My #1 responsibillity within the company was online sales. In 2004 there was a series of events where we paid money out to a trusted local middle man on some animals and long story we got screwed. We didnt know this right away and we actually only have one confirmation that 1 single pair of hets didnt prove out. There were a couple other deals around that time that had issues. One was a deal where i sold a lady in connecticut a trio of grey banded kings. After recieving them she informed me one was dead or dying in the box during shipping. I asked her for pics of the dead snake. I didnt recieve any pics of that particular snake. I then offered her a replacement animal in good faith. She demanded a full refund. It went back and fourth and there was no way i was going to give a full refund when there was no proof to any of her claims. She decided to go on a rampage on fauna. Also there were a few people who mysteriouslly showed up posting comments about how we ripped them off. Come to find out they mysteriouslly dissapeared from fauna. The other deal was a deal between us and justin kobylka where we sent him a het pied male and a poss gravid het girl. Thisbwas a pair we bought from a local breeder that we trusted the genetics. We sent him a genetics gaurantee and even gauranteed a visual baby. I got burned on that. There was question about the authenticity of the pair after i got burned for a large sum of money on the buying of a collection. The cause of that mess was us dealing with 2 shady peoe that got us tied up in a few bad deals. The only deal that im aware of still open is the deal with justin. And that deal will get worked out. Now this started a big back and fourth between me and a scam artist named rob benisi. He sold some animals to someone else that we had sold to him and wanted us to gaurantee the genetics when he was known for ripping people off and there is plenty of feedback on him as well. The bottom line is obviouslly there was alot of poor buisness choices made by us in not protecting ourselves such as , we should have done photo identifying, shouldnt have bought so many animals at once . But at the end of the day we did 250 online transactions a month and we only had a few issues that werent issues of us trying to scam anyone. If we were then i wouldnt have gone back and fourth for months on fauna trying to defend cmg reptiles. Well the end of the story is my partner ended up cleanin me out of about 30k plus 15 racks and other supplies we had in storage for the buisness. He also ran off with a bunch of animals and made the local news when he got busted for animal neglect. But thats another story all together and one im not getting into. But yes i had a few bad deals but your never going to be perfect in buisness when you are running.through that kind of inventory. I have sent out emails to justin to get our deal taken care off. Now for those on the witch hunt run along and jump on fauna to try and poke holes in the situation or point fingers when you have no idea what went on. Oh yea that was 2005 havent had any deals go bad since. If i was trying to rip people off i wouldnt still be here and still having to defend myself.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

My name is chris guida i worked for and was part owner of cmg reptiles.

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CMG Reptiles...as in Chris M. Guida Reptiles? Sounds a bit more than a mere "employee" sort of relationship. And if you think being "part owner" somehow makes you less responsible for things...think again.

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One was a deal where i sold a lady in connecticut a trio of grey banded kings. After recieving them she informed me one was dead or dying in the box during shipping. I asked her for pics of the dead snake. I didnt recieve any pics of that particular snake. I then offered her a replacement animal in good faith. She demanded a full refund. It went back and fourth and there was no way i was going to give a full refund when there was no proof to any of her claims.

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I can't get over how many different incarnations this story has. I read the thread. I don't recall you demanding pictures of the animal or any of that other nonsense. I DO recall you repeatedly LYING about resolving the issue with her and then utterly failing to follow through with multiple promises.

I also recall a far more recent statement (as within the last week) in which you claimed that the third kingsnake died "a month later due to bad husbandry". Really???

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The other deal was a deal between us and justin kobylka ... I got burned on that.

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YOU got burned on that? Justin is the one out the money and time he spent on those snakes. How are YOU burned on a deal in which YOU kept the money?

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And that deal will get worked out.

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How long were you going to wait? How many years has it been? How long did you plan to keep up this anonymous charade?

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If i was trying to rip people off i wouldnt still be here and still having to defend myself.

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Shoulda woulda coulda..... How in the world do you expect anyone to believe anything you say when you started out your very presence here with deceit?

Maybe you're not intentionally making grand schemes to scam as much money as you can and run....BUT....your inability to demonstrate an ounce of integrity says a great deal about the wisdom of choosing to do business with you.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

If i was trying to rip people off i wouldnt still be here and still having to defend myself.

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Of course, had you never ripped anyone off you wouldn't be here either.

Reckon you haven't thought of that yet, eh?

You people seriouslly have nothing better to do then be internet super heros do you? One of your admins or mods took a private message i sent them and got this started on this site. That too me is funny in itself. Secondly mike griffin and chip doss were the others involved with me at cmg reptiles so great conclusion on the matching of letters. Touche. I talked to ellen in email extensively funny how she never seemed to share any of that. And when she wanted replacement animals and i finally came up with a fix with her she was unreasonable. I never got a dead snake pic nor a dead snake.back.nor 2 live ones so what do i owe her? You people who sit back chompin at the bit to crucify someone on an internet deal that has 2 sides and you are only listening to one all because you select few have had an axe to grind with me for awhile all because i comment on something your group doesnt agree with. Yes i made mistakes starting out in buisness, havent made any more. Yes i trusted people i shouldnt have and lacked some knowledge at the time, this is why i handle everything myself now and dont have any other hands in the cookie jar. This is seriouslly going to get comical. You can all gang up on me once again. Come cavanaugh i know your chompin at the bit. Bottom line is in 12 years all you can dig up on me is a couple bad deals and a few bandwagon jumpers. Thanks

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Of course, had you never ripped anyone off you wouldn't be here either.

Reckon you haven't thought of that yet, eh?

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Actually smart guy after all the back and fourth on fauna i gave up on trying to defend myself to the same couple people and the sewing circle so i left. The only reason i joined here was to keep tabs on someone who stole some animals locally if you want to know the truth. Then i give an oppinion on something and must have peed on mike fire hydrant cause ever since then ive been attacked by the same group time after time. I thought it was a moderators job to moderate not instigate. I may be misunderstanding how that works

So do you have Justins 1200$ you owe him from the agreed letter you signed. Dont take 5 years to pay him back.

Hell Justin was nice enough to say paypal him just $400 and that NEVER happened.

You may of messed up big, but youve yet to rectify the wrongs with the money that was owed back. This is why people on the forums seem to be on a witch hunt towards you as the dots were connected a while ago.

And jlc i was part owner. I put up 10k to match to get the buisness started in 1999

Here's the deal, Chris...

When live animals are at stake...when people are spending hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars...when people are spending years raising up and proving out hets....TRUST is a critical factor in a successful business.

Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone. The difference between the "good guy" and the "bad guy" is how they HANDLE those mistakes.

You're not handling your mistakes. You're blaming your suppliers. You're blaming your business partners. You're blaming your customers. And you've shown absolutely no hesitation to lie through your teeth just to buy a little time or to try and make yourself look better. You lied seven years ago, and you're still lying today. Lying and trying to hide behind an anonymous veil.

Please tell me why anyone should trust you?

Oh...and one more thing...

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...this is why i handle everything myself now and dont have any other hands in the cookie jar....

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If this is true, then who the heck is "Michelle Moore"???

More lies? More misdirection? More hidden identities? Which?

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

So do you have Justins 1200$ you owe him from the agreed letter you signed. Dont take 5 years to pay him back.

Hell Justin was nice enough to say paypal him just $400 and that NEVER happened.

You may of messed up big, but youve yet to rectify the wrongs with the money that was owed back. This is why people on the forums seem to be on a witch hunt towards you as the dots were connected a while ago.

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I have tried to contact justin a few times through faceboom in the past and if i have to prove myself i wull copy and paste for ya. No response from him. After seeing he responded at 8 on fauna tonight i sent another message telling him i want to get that deal straightened out. And yes as soon as he responds to me i will make things right with him. Those animals he bought were not even mine they were mikes but i handled all online sales so its my baby and i take full responsibillity for it.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Here's the deal, Chris...

When live animals are at stake...when people are spending hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars...when people are spending years raising up and proving out hets....TRUST is a critical factor in a successful business.

Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone. The difference between the "good guy" and the "bad guy" is how they HANDLE those mistakes.

You're not handling your mistakes. You're blaming your suppliers. You're blaming your business partners. You're blaming your customers. And you've shown absolutely no hesitation to lie through your teeth just to buy a little time or to try and make yourself look better. You lied seven years ago, and you're still lying today. Lying and trying to hide behind an anonymous veil.

Please tell me why anyone should trust you?

Oh...and one more thing...



If this is true, then who the heck is "Michelle Moore"???

More lies? More misdirection? More hidden identities? Which?

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Lmao that is my wife. One of her friends had 17 animals stolen from their house here locally and she made the account so we could try and catch them trying to selling them on the different online forums. It wasnt a veil or some hidden conspiracy. I know who the theif is but he also knows me so i didnt want him thinking i was trying to catch him up. Again more accusations from someone who has no idea

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Lmao that is my wife. One of her friends had 17 animals stolen from their house here locally and she made the account so we could try and catch them trying to selling them on the different online forums. It wasnt a veil or some hidden conspiracy. I know who the theif is but he also knows me so i didnt want him thinking i was trying to catch him up. Again more accusations from someone who has no idea

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You generally feel like you're the smartest guy in the room, don'tcha?

Guess what.....

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Lmao that is my wife. One of her friends had 17 animals stolen from their house here locally and she made the account so we could try and catch them trying to selling them on the different online forums. It wasnt a veil or some hidden conspiracy. I know who the theif is but he also knows me so i didnt want him thinking i was trying to catch him up. Again more accusations from someone who has no idea

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You know....I will admit I should not have included those last couple of lines...but only because they apparently caused you to skip over the really important part of the whole message. :rolleyes:

And yes judy i didnt handle those deals well. I own that. But i also didnt have alot of control in them as well. I was selling crazy amounts of animals and dry goods at the time and we got so overwhelmed with what was coming in and what was going out. I was the only one handling the online portion of the buisness and yes another mistake i take full responsibillity for but again we are talking about a couple of bad deals against the thousand good deals i was responsible for. I had deals of thousands of dollars at a time that went off without a hitch. But when everything went south i ended up holding the bag not only with the 2 or 3 bad deals but with my own monetary losses and the irs. This is why i handle everything myself and havent had any issues since.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

And yes judy i didnt handle those deals well. I own that. But i also didnt have alot of control in them as well. I was selling crazy amounts of animals and dry goods at the time and we got so overwhelmed with what was coming in and what was going out. I was the only one handling the online portion of the buisness and yes another mistake i take full responsibillity for but again we are talking about a couple of bad deals against the thousand good deals i was responsible for. I had deals of thousands of dollars at a time that went off without a hitch. But when everything went south i ended up holding the bag not only with the 2 or 3 bad deals but with my own monetary losses and the irs. This is why i handle everything myself and havent had any issues since.

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Would you like a little cheese with that whine?

Your good deals are fine and dandy, but your bad dealings shows potential customers what they could be getting into if something went south.

This is why people are on your case.

@wilomn your one liners are actually amusing me. Keep em coming since obviouslly your showing your maturity level.
@ rich i understand that but you are judging 15 years of being in the industry and 12 years of buisness based on 3 bad deals. I dont think thats fair. You show me one buisness that has 100% satisfaction with no hiccups. Fauna boi is a hotbed for accusations and one sided arguments. Like i said i will own my part in the deals and im even owning what wasnt my part. I know since i handled all online sales it was my responsibillity.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

@wilomn your one liners are actually amusing me. Keep em coming since obviouslly your showing your maturity level.
@ rich i understand that but you are judging 15 years of being in the industry and 12 years of buisness based on 3 bad deals. I dont think thats fair. You show me one buisness that has 100% satisfaction with no hiccups. Fauna boi is a hotbed for accusations and one sided arguments. Like i said i will own my part in the deals and im even owning what wasnt my part. I know since i handled all online sales it was my responsibillity.

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Reason were judging for long ago, is the problems weren't fixed. If they were you would be fine and no one would have problems with you.

Of course no one is 100% for ever, but like stated its how they handle it to move on and leave it behind.

Its how you handle the bad ones that make your rep. Good dealigns are expected in any business.

I agree. And i have tried to fix what i had the power to fix. I will be getting things fixed with justin. As far ellen goes i tried to fix that situation. Do you honestly think i wanted all that drama over 300 bucks? If i could turn back time i would have just refunded her the money and let her keep the greys but at the time she wasnt willing to send me any proof that one had died and on tip of that she wanted me to send her more animals for free. She didnt post one single email so what does that tell ya.

As an obvious outsider to this whole situation, might I suggest this
1) Paypal Justin what is owed. I do belive his paypal address hasn't changed, and there really isn't a need to discuss it with him, just send a note with payment.

2) You are going to have to earn the trust back obviously, this doesn't happen overnight, your current and future actions as a businessman will determine that.


I do hope that all involved can resolve their issues.

Aside from not handling business properly 7 years ago and having failed to make it right 7 LONG years later finding ways to blame most everyone but yourself, can you elaborate on one of your other lies too, you know about the whole USPS shipping?

On the animals sale here is something for you, you buy a snake you re-sell, YOUR name is on it, if it is not what it is suppose to be YOUR priority is to make it right to YOUR customers and after that it is your problem to deal with whoever sold the animal to you. Would you have done that 7 years ago this would have shown you had ethics instead you ran off and were buying time letting people think you would make it right.

Same thing DOAs happen a GOOD business person takes care of their customers.

There are many breeders that have a few deals go south the difference between YOU having a BOI thread and them not having one, their ethics and the way they PROFESSIONALY handle their business.

Before you try to have the last word with me too please don't forget to answer my question about USPS shipping. ;)

You can tell when Deborah is pretty serious and anxious about a reply by her typo's.. Lol

Now sit back... And breathe.....

WoooooooooSaaaaaaahhhhh.....

Better?

;)

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Originally Posted by snake lab

You people seriouslly have nothing better to do then be internet super heros do you? One of your admins or mods took a private message i sent them and got this started on this site. That too me is funny in itself. Secondly mike griffin and chip doss were the others involved with me at cmg reptiles so great conclusion on the matching of letters. Touche. I talked to ellen in email extensively funny how she never seemed to share any of that. And when she wanted replacement animals and i finally came up with a fix with her she was unreasonable. I never got a dead snake pic nor a dead snake.back.nor 2 live ones so what do i owe her? You people who sit back chompin at the bit to crucify someone on an internet deal that has 2 sides and you are only listening to one all because you select few have had an axe to grind with me for awhile all because i comment on something your group doesnt agree with. Yes i made mistakes starting out in buisness, havent made any more. Yes i trusted people i shouldnt have and lacked some knowledge at the time, this is why i handle everything myself now and dont have any other hands in the cookie jar. This is seriouslly going to get comical. You can all gang up on me once again. Come cavanaugh i know your chompin at the bit. Bottom line is in 12 years all you can dig up on me is a couple bad deals and a few bandwagon jumpers. Thanks

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Yes, I did share my concerns with the staff after receiving your PM and searching for CMG on Fauna. You told me in your PM:

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I was working for cmg reptiles at the time

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Shortly after the experience of working with cmg i struck out on my own.

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You mis-represented yourself to me as an EMPLOYEE of CMG, when in fact it was clear from your writing skills (no paragraph breaks, run on sentences that makes it hard to understand the points you try to make), that you were much more than just an employee of CMG Reptiles, that you were indeed Chris Guida, and you had some unfinished business with Justin Kobylka in particular, who happens to also be a good friend of mine.

At that point, I shared your identity with the rest of the staff as a heads up, particularly since you'd been drawing a lot of attention from the staff and the membership in general with your snake lab persona and constant boasting of how important you were in the reptile community and all name dropping you always do to attempt to validate your posts.

As far as "starting" this whole thing? It was a member of the forum, not a staff member who called you out (at the beginning of this split thread). Even before you PM'd me, several forum members have asked you who you were. YOU started this, by trying to hide your identity while boasting how important you were at the same time.

At some point, you're going to need to start taking accountability for your own actions. You say that you are, however, each time you "admit" you were wrong, there's always a "but" in there. But it wasn't really your fault, but it wasn't your animal, but you were just the face of CMG, there were hidden partners, but, but, but......

man, this guy is toasted

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Lmao that is my wife. One of her friends had 17 animals stolen from their house here locally and she made the account so we could try and catch them trying to selling them on the different online forums. It wasnt a veil or some hidden conspiracy. I know who the theif is but he also knows me so i didnt want him thinking i was trying to catch him up. Again more accusations from someone who has no idea

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One account made to trip up somebody and one made to keep an eye on somebody.
Neither for the typical purpose of participating in a hobby.
You say what you think the admins job should be here. The admins, who privately own and operate this site are primarily concerned with having a place that reptile hobbyists, with an emphasis on new hobbyists seeking info, can come and find good info without drama or getting ripped off by anyone..
The admins attention is attracted by somebody showing up on the site whose story doesn't seem to add up right and you set the sniff meter off.
I personally believe that you just got in over your head with your business. That you had no bad intentions. And as JLC pointed out, everybody makes mistakes and has things go bad, and that the difference in having a good or bad rep is how you deal with the problems.
It is not too late for you, if you just simply own up to the responsibility of paying your customers back and eating your losses even if you got burned by your suppliers or partners. People will see that you are a person of honor.
When you sell somebody an animal. the buck stops with you.
I also can identify with how easy it is to lose your perspective when you feel that you are being ganged up on in a thread as you may feel now.
I would urge you to not dig a deeper hole for yourself and just say "Things went bad, and I want to fix it".
And then do it.

I thought I'd chime in with my opinion I think you should have been honest from the onset, your membership here which you claim was too help find a thief grew
into full participation you should have been honest and changed your name and came clean on your own.

I also believe there is no way you can make right some of your past mistakes. Especially with Justin not speaking for him but if I was him I'd flip you the finger for trying to fix this now sorry I'm being real.

People make mistakes, Just fix the mistakes. Also on the other side of that, if someone is trying to start over clean...even the worst of mistakes deserves a second chance.

I do admit I have no clue on this guys past, and he may have made many mistakes, the only way he can right the wrongs is if people let him.

Please don't roast me for my $.02. :couch:

Look people. I explained what happened. I made mistakes and im owning them. I have 2 deals that didnt get resolved. 2 out of thousands of good deals and because you people on here want to have something to talk about you have blown this back up on me. I wasnt the only one involved yet im the one who has to eat the entire thing i get it. I never ripped anyone off. They paid for animals and they got their animals. They werent happy with the animals therefore it became an issue. I tried to deal with ellen but she made it impossible to make her happy. As far as justin goes, i couldnt fix it at the time. I got taken myself and left holding the bag on everything. This isnt an excuse its the reality of the situation. I have tried to get in contact with justin in the past. I will be getting this fixed with justin today. And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it. I guess people have to be careful about confiding in administrators on this site. Whatever. Im not going back and fourth with the peanut gallery any longer. I will still sell quality animals, i will grt things straight with justin, and if you want to keeo crucifying me over 2 deals in 12 years that went bad then be my guest

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Originally Posted by JRSCB16A2

People make mistakes, Just fix the mistakes. Also on the other side of that, if someone is trying to start over clean...even the worst of mistakes deserves a second chance.

I do admit I have no clue on this guys past, and he may have made many mistakes, the only way he can right the wrongs is if people let him.

Please don't roast me for my $.02. :couch:

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People do make mistakes, and sometimes things happen especially with live animals (talking about shipping here) the rest is a whole other story and the thing is there are 2 different types of people.

1# The honest ones that will treat their customers in a professional manner and make it right.

2# Those that lie through their teeth with no intention to make it right.

Now the thing is those falling in category #2 still would have a chance at a come back IF they truly changed, took responsibility for their past actions, made it right with the people that were done wrong etc

I don't see this here what see here is someone making a comeback hiding his identity (which people will eventually question), lying about the fact that his was a co-owner of the company (not a employee), making excuses about the past blaming everyone else etc

Now I am sorry but it's hard for me to trust or give someone a second chance when they have not changed.

Now would he have taken care of business making it right to people (and in SO MANY YEARS he had plenty if time), than joined this forum introducing himself being honest about his past and made a sincere apology it would have been different.

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this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it.

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Well look who put his own spin.

Pretty strong accusations here.

I wonder what bother me the most the accusations or the fact that you think members are naive/stupid and would never call out your identity?

You come here talk like you have been in this industry for quite some time and you think members are not gonna wonder and ask questions?

Don't you think they might even be more incline to do so if you rub them the wrong way?

Oh no that right it's a big conspiracy and someone must have put them up to it.

I probably should refrain from posting since I don't have the context, but I've read enough on the BOI to recognize obvious patterns of dishonesty and obfuscation. if you're angry about everyone bandwagoning and piling on top of you, about rabernet doing his job and maintaining transparency on a very helpful website, or about wilomn's one-liners, try to understand that these methods are effective at exposing underhanded behavior. your first few posts, especially the one concerning the unique pastel and DOA hatchling set off more than a few blips on the radar. I'm not trying to denigrate you personally, but it helps the entire community to know who they're dealing with, and how that person or business has conducted themselves in the past.

I don't have much more to add, but if you're serious about rectifying the past and owning your mistakes, the money owed Justin is an easy fix. that man is far more available and accommodating than he needs to be. hell, the other day he just emailed me out of the blue just to check on a few snakes I'd purchased months ago. there's no rational way it couldve taken years to fix that situation, much less given the fact that you have the funds to start dealing in high end morphs again after being left 'holding the bag.'

since you have over a decade of experience and presumably more than your fair share of dealings on fauna, you should know the effectiveness of these methods. the mods and administrators on the site do great work, and if you didn't take everything so defensively, you'd see they're just looking out for everyone's best interest. apologies if that reflects poorly on your past business...err...blunders.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it.

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Oh puhlease. YOU brought this situation on yourself with your own actions. That's what you can't seem to grasp. I really do wonder if you are truly somehow physically and mentally incapable of grasping these VERY basic concepts.

You made a mistake. Fine. Mistakes happen.
YOU LIED. Lies don't just happen to people. YOU MAKE THEM HAPPEN.

It's not the mistakes. It's NOT the "two" out of "thousands" of troubled transactions. IT'S THE LIES.

YOU LIE. You get called out for them.

YOU LIE. People want to make sure that others know about it so they can choose whether or not they want to take unnecessary risks in doing business with you. Maybe they'll get lucky and have a "good" transaction. But heaven forbid anything go wrong...you've proven OVER and OVER again that YOU WON'T FIX IT...YOU'LL JUST LIE ABOUT IT.

((Note to everyone reading this....the caps in the previous text are not done out of anger or any sort of heat. I'm simply TRYING to get him to SEE what I'm saying...which so far, he's been utterly blind to.))

Lastly....if you think for one second that other members haven't already seen through your charade, you're sorely mistaken. Just ask Mike Cavanaugh how well he gets along with the staff here. He's gonna fall out of his chair laughing at the thought that someone would think we'd confide in him and ask him to do dirty work for us. He's just smarter than you.

We didn't have to DO anything....we just let the rope keep playing out until you hung yourself with it.

Getting a little hot in the kitchen there guida?

I've worked with kids on and off for a loooooong time. I'd peg your mental development at about the same level as the average 9 year old.

It was Timmy's fault, I was just in the kitchen.

Timmy handed me the glass and it dropped, I didn't pick it up, it's Timmy's fault.

Timmy's mom bought the orange juice that spilled on the floor when Timmy handed me the glass and it dropped, it's her fault.

My mom said I could go to Timmy's, it's her fault.

Yup, pretty much 9.

No one really cares what happened or why it happened. Some care about what you do now since you seem to want to be part of the reptile retail world.

So, you gonna be 9 forever or you gonna drop a pair and take care of YOUR crap?

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Look people. I explained what happened. I made mistakes and im owning them. I have 2 deals that didnt get resolved. 2 out of thousands of good deals and because you people on here want to have something to talk about you have blown this back up on me. I wasnt the only one involved yet im the one who has to eat the entire thing i get it. I never ripped anyone off. They paid for animals and they got their animals. They werent happy with the animals therefore it became an issue. I tried to deal with ellen but she made it impossible to make her happy. As far as justin goes, i couldnt fix it at the time. I got taken myself and left holding the bag on everything. This isnt an excuse its the reality of the situation. I have tried to get in contact with justin in the past. I will be getting this fixed with justin today. And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it. I guess people have to be careful about confiding in administrators on this site. Whatever. Im not going back and fourth with the peanut gallery any longer. I will still sell quality animals, i will grt things straight with justin, and if you want to keeo crucifying me over 2 deals in 12 years that went bad then be my guest

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Bull crap! I did no such thing. I did NOT disseminate your PM to any forum member nor encourage any forum member to "call you out". I discussed your PM with other staff members ONLY.

You've had FIVE YEARS to work this out with Justin and other dis-satisfied customers. But it is entertaining to see the spin you put on it.

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Whack the rat. I have some huge girls over 3500 grams that eat jumbos and i stun the rats and take plyers to their teeth before i feed em.

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http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Bite-question


I cannot and will not speak about the events in question. I don't have enough details and don't know the back story nor have any part in it. Not my business really. I know at times you have passed useful information along and other times and posted things intentionally to bug others and muddy the waters. While I appreciate the useful posts you have made I have been questioning the story you have been telling and I never knew anything about the events currently being discussed.

This is a community and snake keepers are part of a larger community and so on. The thing is it isn't 2 deals gone bad it is an attitude that is an issue. I'll give you the benefit of doubt so perhaps you don't know that often when you post you come off as arrogant (I can as well so but I try to recognize it when I am) abrasive and I know more than you do. Everybody has ideas about what will work and what won't that is part of what a place like this is about different ideas. But willingness to accept that your way might not be the ONLY way also seems to be missing in your exchanges with myself and others. I accept that I don't know everything and that there are likely better ways than what I am doing. But from my experience with your posts you have not. I am not trying to attack you or defend you just stating what I have seen in your posts.

Perhaps you should look to repairing damages done and sharing your experience free of prejudice and superior attitudes. I have run my own business for ahhh 26 years or so (senile apparently I can't remember now...) I know that having a good reputation in a community is worth many thousands of dollars in advertising and PR. It is something to think on and it seems like you have some fences to mend.

Hmmmm...

Cliffs notes anyone?

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Bull crap! I did no such thing. I did NOT disseminate your PM to any forum member nor encourage any forum member to "call you out". I discussed your PM with other staff members ONLY.

You've had FIVE YEARS to work this out with Justin and other dis-satisfied customers. But it is entertaining to see the spin you put on it.

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Oops, my bad. SEVEN YEARS......

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...68&postcount=7

So what are your excuses for the past SEVEN years of not taking care of your customer, who, by the way - gave you a rediculously fair settlement agreement of $400 on the $2300 you took from him by mis-representing your animals? And yet you didn't take him up on it?

thanks for the link. I was just trying to find this on fauna.

Wow the peanut gallery is still going strong i see. Just to let ya know ive talked to justin and we will be getting everything worked out tonight. His deal is the only deal i have left open. Go do a boi search for others in the community and i think you will be amazed to find out how quickly peopke will run and point fingers. How many times am i going to have to say the same thing before the peanut gallery gets it? Yes i screwed up, i screwed up by not keeping a closer eye on who i was dealing with. I should have done photo identifications, i could have done a number of things. I cant change it. All i can do is fix it. I never intended on ripping anyone off nor did i rip anyone off. I am guilty of not making a unsatisfied customer happy with the aninals they recieved for whatever reason. On a couple deals. The justin deal is totalky my fault. I should have refunded his money. Instead i was trying to get him another animal he wanted. As far as ellen i tried to work with that lady, she wanted more then she originally paid and it was only one so called dead snake with no proof it died. Not only did she want a refund but she wanted new snakes as well. But go ahead peanut gallery keep bashing me. Your so quick to bash someone from a couple deals that went south at one time in a 12 year span of good buisness. Seems fair to me.

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Wow the peanut gallery is still going strong i see.

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But go ahead peanut gallery keep bashing me. Your so quick to bash someone from a couple deals that went south at one time in a 12 year span of good buisness. Seems fair to me.

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Glad to see how much you changed in the last 7 years do you expect respect with all YOUR lies and insults?

Apologizing and insulting people at the same time :rolleyes:........let me know how that work for you.

Maybe you should take a break and try this again in another 7 years maybe the attitude will have improved by than and maybe you will be capable of HONESTY that time around ;)

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Your so quick to bash someone from a couple deals that went south at one time in a 12 year span of good buisness. Seems fair to me.

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We're not quick to bash someone for a couple of deals that went south. We are quick to bash someone for not RESOLVING those couple of deals in almost SEVEN years time.

Let me ask you a question. If this had not come to light the way that it has, would you have reached out to Justin today to try to resolve it? When would you have made good on this bad deal with Justin if your feet weren't held to the fire?

It takes you SEVEN years to produce another snake that he wanted? Come on! At no time in the past SEVEN years did you think "you know - I still need to resolve this thing with Justin, let me reach out to him and make things right"?

You illustrated that you were not above lying in your Fauna thread - when you told Ellen that you had shipped her money and a replacement snake - but surprise! Nothing showed up.

Deborah i could give a damn what you few think of me based on what you want to believe out of the situation. Ive apoligized and admitted to my couple deals and i have fixed and still fixing them. Get off your high horse just because you are a mod on a forum website. Some people may bow to you for that but i sure dont. I have been in this industry a long time i have had thousands of great deals. Ive had a couple deals that went south. Get over it. The deals were not with any one of the peanut gallery . But i know its the internet so everyones a rockstar. I will keep ya posted in what shows i will be at tgis coming year. Please dont hesitate to come by and trash me

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And this whole situation was created from a moderator or administrator from this site taking a private message, putting their spin on it and sending it to members to call me out or whatever. Why didnt you call me out yourself? Instead you have regular members do it.

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LOL, I always love conspiracy theories... In fact I have made a few up myself over the years. :D

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Just ask Mike Cavanaugh how well he gets along with the staff here. He's gonna fall out of his chair laughing at the thought that someone would think we'd confide in him and ask him to do dirty work for us. He's just smarter than you.

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LMAO!!!! :couch: :rofl:

Yes Chris, you obvioulsy haven't been around this site long enough to know its members... and their relationships with one another...

The admins of this site and I... we kinda have a love - hate relationship. All joking aside though, I really do love and appreciate all of them, and have even had the pleasure of meeting some of them in person. That said in the past the admins and I have had a tendancy to butt heads a bit when we disagree on things... I have a lot of passion in regards to this hobby and sometimes I let my emotions get the best of me. At one point I was almost banned! Lucky for me they haven't kicked me out yet because they know I contribute a lot to this forum and they know I make an honest effort now to follow the TOS of the site with every post.

Anyways, yes, it is very safe to say that I would not be the one the admins would go to for some sort of secret mission LOL.

See, I like calling people out... I like adding a little spice to the conversations when something doesnt sound or look right. I think it adds a lot to the forum, and keeps people honest. Judging by all of my recent reading on CMG today on here and Fauna, it appears my skills for smelling something that is a little fishy have proven themselves once again.

I am glad you are now trying to pay back the people who you owe money to. Now anyone that is willing to wait 5 - 7 years for a refund if a deal goes bad can decide to do business with you if they want.

Now please quit ripping the teeth out of rats mouths while they are still alive... And for gods sake, stop killing spiders ball python babies because they wobble.

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We're not quick to bash someone for a couple of deals that went south. We are quick to bash someone for not RESOLVING those couple of deals in almost SEVEN years time.

Let me ask you a question. If this had not come to light the way that it has, would you have reached out to Justin today to try to resolve it? When would you have made good on this bad deal with Justin if your feet weren't held to the fire?

It takes you SEVEN years to produce another snake that he wanted? Come on! At no time in the past SEVEN years did you think "you know - I still need to resolve this thing with Justin, let me reach out to him and make things right"?

You illustrated that you were not above lying in your Fauna thread - when you told Ellen that you had shipped her money and a replacement snake - but surprise! Nothing showed up.

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I tried to reach out to justin a year ago and then again about 6 months ago on facebook and email. I was emailing is jkobylka@edu address but i have found out from a mutual breeder we both do buisness with that it has changed. I have talked to justin this morning and will be getting it straightened out tonight. The other deal is a case of a customer who is not happy with any deal. I tried a number of solutions with her. When i found her replacement animals she didnt want em. There comes a point where the situation gets exhausted. Now my question to all in tue peanut gallery, what the hell else do you want me to do.

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I tried to reach out to justin a year ago and then again about 6 months ago on facebook and email. I was emailing is jkobylka@edu address but i have found out from a mutual breeder we both do buisness with that it has changed. I have talked to justin this morning and will be getting it straightened out tonight. The other deal is a case of a customer who is not happy with any deal. I tried a number of solutions with her. When i found her replacement animals she didnt want em. There comes a point where the situation gets exhausted. Now my question to all in tue peanut gallery, what the hell else do you want me to do.

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is that honestly your excuse? you can use google to find contact information on just about anyone these days, to say nothing of someone like Justin with a successful business website. if you've used any of your 'connections' in the reptile industry in the past few years, there's no way you could have missed the fact that he's a breeder with a great reputation. people like that are easy to get in touch with.

I don't want you to do anything other than honor your agreements, no matter when they were made. selling normals as hets, failing to provide paperwork, and holding other people's money all have a tendency to find their way back to the surface.

and cavanaugh might rub a few people the wrong way occasionally, but he's no idiot. he's certainly not the one trying to cover up past lies with new ones and hiding in anonymity until someone else exposes him.

Im not covering anything. Again i ask the question. Once my deal is fixed with justin what would you people like me to do? You want to sit back on your thrones and act like you are perfect in every way. I admitted the mistakes i made. I was a co owner not a sole owner, i worked the online part solely and also did some of the wholesale orders. I learned alot about the buisness side of things from those experiences and as i had mostly great deals there were a few questionable ones that i either fixed and am going to fix the one with justin so again i ask what do you expect me to do? You guys have me pegged as a bad guy from jumpstreet and im not looking for your acceptance. All these forums online are all the same. You will always have the peanut gallery sitting behind their computers with all the answers.

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Again i ask the question.... what would you people like me to do?

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Seriously, if you REALLY want to build up a decent rep...then you have to realize that it's not enough to just play lip-service. You can say over and over again, "I own up to it..." but you honestly don't seem to understand what that really means.

You haven't once addressed the issue of the lying. You seem to think that so long as you ignore it, no one will notice it?

OWN THE LIES as well as the mistakes. When you realize that honesty and integrity is ALL any of us want, then you'll know what to do yourself. Admit the lies...ALL of them...not just the ones we've noticed or called out...and then let people know that you really DO understand what words like "honesty" and "integrity" mean. Then go out and LIVE BY THEM.

Trust won't happen overnight, but over time...if you really mean it...and you really work hard...you CAN build a successful business. But if you keep hiding behind various veils of deception, no one will ever care how much you "own the mistakes".

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Im not covering anything. Again i ask the question. Once my deal is fixed with justin what would you people like me to do? You want to sit back on your thrones and act like you are perfect in every way. I admitted the mistakes i made. I was a co owner not a sole owner, i worked the online part solely and also did some of the wholesale orders. I learned alot about the buisness side of things from those experiences and as i had mostly great deals there were a few questionable ones that i either fixed and am going to fix the one with justin so again i ask what do you expect me to do? You guys have me pegged as a bad guy from jumpstreet and im not looking for your acceptance. All these forums online are all the same. You will always have the peanut gallery sitting behind their computers with all the answers.

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Are you attempting to infer, in your roundabout run on sentence single paragraph way, that some one or more of us may not have the same distaste for you and your ways in person that we do online?

I can assure my responsibility ignoring toady, some of us would not have a single second's hesitation in telling you to your face what we've written here; were that truly what you were, pathetically, attempting to infer.