Firebee X Firebee confirm my odds?

According to what I read online these would be the odds, but I wanted to confirm with you guy(who I tend to trust much much more XD) because ive gotten wrong odds from the internet before. Also Thought Id say if this is right its a WILD number of morphs that can spawn from just two snakes. It kinda blows my mind. And this also claims a Black eyed Lucy could be born from this pairaing. That would be nuts. Makes sense both having the fire trait.


1/16 Normal
2/16 Fire
1/16 Pastel
2/16 Firefly
1/16 Spider
2/16 Fire Spider
1/16 Super Fire
1/16 Bumble Bee
2/16 Fire Bee
1/16 Pastel Super Fire
1/16 Pastel Spider Super Fire
1/16 Spider Super Fire

Are you breeding a firefly to a firebee?

Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
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Entertaining the idea of Breeding a killerbee to a Black Eyed lucy(super fire) And if I manage to get both Male and Female FireBee's, then breed those together. Fireflies if I remember correctly are pastel fire right? Just lacking the spider gene?

Holy christ. I guess I found the wrong info after all. Youre a lifesaver man!

I was reading the results of your calculation, it names quite a few of those morphs more than one time.. Such as Fire bee and bumblebee..
It actually lists pastel super fire spider two times next to each other with different percentages

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Originally Posted by Riv

I was reading the results of your calculation, it names quite a few of those morphs more than one time.. Such as Fire bee and bumblebee..
It actually lists pastel super fire spider two times next to each other with different percentages

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take into account the debate on the homozygous spider

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Originally Posted by Riv

I was reading the results of your calculation, it names quite a few of those morphs more than one time.. Such as Fire bee and bumblebee..
It actually lists pastel super fire spider two times next to each other with different percentages

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Yeah, it didn't add them up correctly. Any time you see something more than once just add them together.

Okay thanks = P

Here is how my genetics calculator breaks it down:

1/64 Normal
2/64 Fire
2/64 Pastel
4/64 Firefly
2/64 Spider
4/64 Fire Spider
4/64 Bumblebee
8/64 Fire Bee
1/64 Super Fire
2/64 Pastel Super Fire
2/64 Spider Super Fire
4/64 Bumblebee Super Fire
1/64 Super Pastel
2/64 Super Pastel Fire
2/64 Killer Bee
4/64 Killer Bee Fire
1/64 Super Fire Super Pastel
2/64 Super Fire Killer Bee
1/64 Homozygous Spider
2/64 Homozygous Bumblebee
4/64 Homozygous Fire Bee
1/64 Homozygous Spider Super Fire
1/64 Homozygous Super Fire Bumblebee
1/64 Homozygous Killer Bee
2/64 Homozygous Fire Killer Bee
1/64 Super Fire Homozygous Killer Bee

It kind of boggles the mind. :O
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Its a little nuts isnt it? Theres just so many possibilities. I cant wait to do it now, because none of those odds are big enough to make an undiverse clutch. and theres a few different types of super fires you could get too, and frankly Id be happy with any superfires.

Curious...

Why use a genetics calculator that shows a homo spider in the results when it's not even proven to exist?

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Curious...

Why use a genetics calculator that shows a homo spider in the results when it's not even proven to exist?

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Because genetically, those are the odds.

It isn't proven to exist because it's very hard to prove, and the only times it has seemed to exist (may or may not), there was a lot of dying babies and lots of problems, thus the lethal theory. I personally would not combine two spider genes. As I mentioned in the other thread, you have the possibility of enhancing the spider gene and for obvious reasons I wouldn't want to enhance it. Though I love spiders, they are best outbred to other morphs imo.

Super Spiders actually hatched out? Just from what I read anything that would have resulted in super spiders wound up failed eggs. Something about the homo version screwing even more deeply with the nervous system? I dont remember all the details. But even if they died, if they hatched do we at least know what the homo spider looks like?

There is zero evidence of the lethal spider theory. Kevin says he see no evidence of it. No one else has came forth with evidence besides hearsay. Its all based on "we havnt seen one yet" which is pretty weak imo since there are only 2 proven dominant morphs. Unless someone else has information, feel free to share

The reason I show the homozygous spider is because there is no real proof it cant exist. And if it doesnt, we have no idea how it does work.

Their is no real proof it can exist either. Even if it did we wouldn't really be able to tell it apart being a dominant gene.

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Their is no real proof it can exist either. Even if it did we wouldn't really be able to tell it apart being a dominant gene.

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Our current model of genetics is proof it can exist, atleast until someone comes forward with evidence otherwise. They will never be 100% proven technically but statistics can remove a lot of doubt. Pinstripe and congo proved out suppossedly.

Correct, there is no evidence no proof of anything. It's just a theory, but it's still a spider gene associated with issues. Lots of evidence to that.

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There is zero evidence of the lethal spider theory. Kevin says he see no evidence of it. No one else has came forth with evidence besides hearsay. Its all based on "we havnt seen one yet" which is pretty weak imo since there are only 2 proven dominant morphs. Unless someone else has information, feel free to share

The reason I show the homozygous spider is because there is no real proof it cant exist. And if it doesnt, we have no idea how it does work.

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Sorry to go even further off topic, but isn't there a theory that a homozygous spider could exist, as it looks the same, but when bred to a normal will produce all spiders. I think some guy had a spider male that when bred to a normal would throw all spiders. It happened twice and then that snake died I believe.

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Sorry to go even further off topic, but isn't there a theory that a homozygous spider could exist, as it looks the same, but when bred to a normal will produce all spiders. I think some guy had a spider male that when bred to a normal would throw all spiders. It happened twice and then that snake died I believe.

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And all of those babies had problems if I'm thinking of the same instance you are.


but either way, it was never verified or proven, good just be good odds for 2 years, but showing problems either way makes it seem like it's not a good idea to try to prove out.

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Originally Posted by The Hedgehog

Sorry to go even further off topic, but isn't there a theory that a homozygous spider could exist, as it looks the same, but when bred to a normal will produce all spiders. I think some guy had a spider male that when bred to a normal would throw all spiders. It happened twice and then that snake died I believe.

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Yea, they are on this forum. It's one of those things that gives merit to the homozygous spider existence but I think we all want to see a couple more examples before we call it fact. After all he could of just got really lucky on two clutches. As said above there is no proof either way. Until someone tries to prove something out, we will be stuck in the unknown.

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And all of those babies had problems if I'm thinking of the same instance you are.


but either way, it was never verified or proven, good just be good odds for 2 years, but showing problems either way makes it seem like it's not a good idea to try to prove out.

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I have personally talked to a couple people and Kevin has also stated there is no issue with breeding spider x spider. Problem arises with wheres the homozygous.