Ok, I give up. How do you indentify a fire morph?

The fire morph is one that has always confused me. To me they just look like light normals. I searched google and I couldn't find anything useful. Mostly just the obvious that they are the visual het form of a black eyed leucistic. What are the defining characteristics of a fire? How can you tell the difference between a light normal and a fire without breeding them?

Thanks in advance! :gj:

I'd like to know as well, they look like light normals to me too. I have a hard time with vanillas also.

im in the process of doubting my yellowbelly to being a yb and actually being a fire... lol

ill get back to you

check out this video:http://youtu.be/JJYfI_komGc

hope it helps.

Most of them have faded heads.

I might not be 100% correct on this, but to me fires appear to have a more creamy colored appearence, head markings and they get lighter as they grow.

I have a very light colored normal and a new fire. They look completely different to me. Since one is in quarantine and the other isn't, here are pictures of each.

Fire:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_1962.jpg

Light Normal:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/...1/IMG_0840.jpg

I have seen a lot of fires lately that just don't scream fire to me, so I don't really know how to tell a poor quality fire from a normal. If it looks normal I wouldn't buy it, even if it came from a Black eyed lucy breeding.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I have seen a lot of fires lately that just don't scream fire to me, so I don't really know how to tell a poor quality fire from a normal

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Yeah, like the fire in that video that TheAnalogue posted with Justin Kobylka in it. To me that just looks like a light normal. I have a female that looks an awful lot like that, has the same clear belly (from what I can tell in the video) and everything.

Now the fire you posted looks completely different from his.

They get lighter and lighter as time goes on so an older Fire will be easier to see than a young one.

They look A LOT lighter in shed too.

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Originally Posted by Naginibellatrix

im in the process of doubting my yellowbelly to being a yb and actually being a fire... lol

ill get back to you

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Post pictures, it is really easy to distinguish a Fire from a Yellowbelly.

Fires are one of those genes where low quality examples do look like normals. However, mid to higher end animals definitely stand out from their normal sibs. I picked this girl up at the FIRE show (lol) and at least to my eye, she doesnt look anything like a normal.

http://www.iherp.com/Gallery/88170/7...xwXHApTBSo.jpg

I'm no expert, however, I believe that fires have a faded head, clear belly, and a huge amount of blushing. Also the alien heads tend to be lighter colored. Here is one of my males that I am hoping proves out to be a fire this year, he has already locked with 2 females this year.

http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/...1/100_2379.jpg

Perhaps somebody else can check him out and give us some more insight.

You buy it as a fire from a breeder in good standing...

If it's sold as anything else by a breeder, it won't be a fire so you won't have to worry about IDing it ;)

I never understood the big deal about fires until I had the chance to see some quality hatchlings in person. She is now, hands down, my favorite in my collection. I swear she gives off a soft buttery glow at times, something that I feel that may be hard to capture in pics. Most fire hatchlings I have seen do look kind of "meh" though, I understand why it can be hard to see the difference at first.


My fire at a few months old, faded head with dark spot, flames
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4624065_n.jpg
clear belly
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4195851_n.jpg

Same fire now sitting at just over 1300g
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...43537524_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...71688017_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4730093_n.jpg

Can we get more belly shots from a few different fires?

I will try and get some current belly shots tomorrow after work for you:gj:

Its a morph that is hard to photograph. But in person you can tell by the brightness and the spot on Head.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...19832193_n.jpg

I have a question to add. Since these fires are so hard to tell apart when they are hatchlings... If you bred a fire to a normal, will the babies all look like normals? Or will you be able to see the spots on their heads right away?

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Originally Posted by adamsky27

I have a question to add. Since these fires are so hard to tell apart when they are hatchlings... If you bred a fire to a normal, will the babies all look like normals? Or will you be able to see the spots on their heads right away?

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You will know right away. Its a morph you have to see in person to appreciate.

This is 2 fires with 2 normals...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...n/DSCF1135.jpg

This is 2 fires (bottom) with a light normal (top right)...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...n/DSCF1142.jpg


And a tail belly shot of RR tracks and partial ringer. More common in some fires.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics027.jpg

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

You buy it as a fire from a breeder in good standing...

If it's sold as anything else by a breeder, it won't be a fire so you won't have to worry about IDing it ;)

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Excatly! black eyed producers I just hatched out a outstanding clutch a few days ago puts me over 40 fires produced in 3 years. They stand out easly.

Along with the faded head, blushing, and light colors, I believe that a hallmark sign of a fire is also quite a bit of banding but not always.

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Originally Posted by Naginibellatrix

im in the process of doubting my yellowbelly to being a yb and actually being a fire... lol

ill get back to you

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Fire & yb together
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/SDC13593.jpg

Hatchling belly shot
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...1632Medium.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/PICT1472.jpg

Hatchling Fire
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...-18_010756.jpg

Hatchling fire with my normal female (probably not a great example because this female is as dark as they come lol)
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...-22_211910.jpg

My too fire,s ,check out the difference :cool:

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-44PQJKMQ-D.jpg