How do different morphs affect the Pied pattern?

I've been looking at pics of Spieds, and I really like the fact that most have a colored head and solid white patternless body. I also saw a few spieds that were pure white.

I was just wondering if there are any other morphs that affect the patterns of pieds when mixed together. Hope that makes since.

Its really the other way around. Its more of what the pied gene does to __________ (insert morph)

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I really like the Pumpkin Pied, which is Pied x Yellowbelly, and the Clown Pied. Both of them have brighter colors and I've heard they fade less with age too. For pictures go to World of Ball Pythons, Morph List. Really neat! :)

Its really the other way around. Its more of what the pied gene does to __________ (insert morph)

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Gotcha, guess I worded it differently.

Are there any morphs when bred with pied, that produce combo morphs that are consistent in patterns which are different than what you would expect from a normal pied.

example: Pieds can vary from low white to high white with varying amounts of patterned areas. Spider Pieds seem to come consistently with patterned head and solid body or just solid body.

Are there any other pied combos that come out with anything unusual but consistent pattern wise.

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Originally Posted by piedplus

I really like the Pumpkin Pied, which is Pied x Yellowbelly, and the Clown Pied. Both of them have brighter colors and I've heard they fade less with age too. For pictures go to World of Ball Pythons, Morph List. Really neat! :)

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Just checked those out, the Pumpkin is a really pretty animal.

Enchi pieds tend to be very low white, while spieds have almost all white :)

Super lesser pieds are ALL white. ;)

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Has anyone produced a butter pied yet? I couldn't find any pics of one.

Yep, some have been produced...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=864309

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Originally Posted by mikeandsheleen

Yep, some have been produced...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=864309

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Yep. I want to say those started at around $6k each. Makes more sense for them to be $1800 being a Lucy. I wonder if the Pied gene will make them white or off white like most lucies are.

Mike, I'll be posting some very important and very cool pics in the next week or so.....think gray, darker gray, and white......we might have another!:confused: It was good to see you at the show this weekend. Can't wait til the next.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

Yep. I want to say those started at around $6k each. Makes more sense for them to be $1800 being a Lucy. I wonder if the Pied gene will make them white or off white like most lucies are.

Mike, I'll be posting some very important and very cool pics in the next week or so.....think gray, darker gray, and white......we might have another!:confused: It was good to see you at the show this weekend. Can't wait til the next.

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:O ANOTHER one!?!?:gj:
I can't wait til the next, either. I was honored to finally meet you in person! :worship:

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Originally Posted by mikeandsheleen

Yep, some have been produced...
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=864309

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Link goes to an expired ad. :( Drat.. I was looking forward to a pic. lol

Nerdy list based on looking at pictures online ... Note that this is based on a sample of pictures (ie, Google Image search) and not, unfortunately, from having a rack full of pied morphs. .. Maybe some day. :D

Primarily color (minimal effect on pattern)
Variable amount of white (no effect on % white)

Albino
Axanthic
Caramel
Pastel
Yellowbelly
Lavender
Hypo
Fire

Color and pattern (extensive effect on pattern)
Variable amount of white (no effect on % white)

Clown
Pinstripe
Mojave
Desert

Color and pattern
Extremely high white (white is typically on head only)

Spider
Sable
Cinnamon

Color and pattern
99-100% white (typically solid white, occasional few spots)

Spotnose
Lesser

Color and pattern (extensive effect on pattern)
<5% white (minimizes amount of white)

Enchi


... I couldn't for the life of me find a picture of a genetic stripe pied. Has that been made yet?

... Another branch of the discussion I'd be curious to explore as well: how does the heterozygous pied condition affect the appearance of other morphs?