Is it worth getting?

So I know a person selling a female pied for relatively cheap. However, the person that is selling it lives 4 hours away from my place. Is it worth getting? It could fit into my breeding plans, yet it could not. I dont like hets, but lesser het pieds would be great in the future.

Shipping it might be cheaper than driving.
Either way, Id do it if I were you....my opinion though.

i drove 16 hours round trip to get one of my pieds. I say do it

how much is a good deal? lol! if its a really good deal than do it! besides, snakes hold their value ;) especially females.

exactly what is cheap? Will the person ship because 4hrs cost a lot more in gas than shipping, but it is not the end of the world to drive. I would drive many more than that for a Pied that is relatively cheap

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Originally Posted by decensored

how much is a good deal? lol! if its a really good deal than do it! besides, snakes hold their value ;) especially females.

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my breeder bought a spider female for $ 8000 they do not hold value they drop every year. pieds hold better than some but they still drop.

Op no one can really answer this for you. But things I be thinking about are are you going to breed professionally (full time 70% of your income from it) serious amateur (support your hobby costs) or just casually? The answer is different for all. If you want to go pro there answer is yes no question. Seriously it is likely a good idea if you can spend that money now. The casual breeder it is a maybe be. to me I'd be interested in that individual animal, is it good looking do I want it? is it a good feeder? Is it well tempered. Basically the casual breeder it is a pet and having a mean or poor feeder (maybe both) animal is not worth it. Pro breeders don't care if it is a good pet it isn't a pet but an investment in future revenue. Semipro might not be overly bothered by a ill tempered animal as it will pay the bills or at least its own keep.

the only problem with this animal is that its not going to be able to breed this season and maybe next. But it is a 50/50 white pied. I am trying to see if it would make a good investment. Because I would like to breed lesser het pieds together to make a white snake/ pied. How many people buy pieds these days? Especially females? Plus this pied is cheap, which makes me wonder if it has any problems.

A lot of people buy pieds or wants them and that is why the cost so much.

A Pied that is breeding age and size will cost a lot more than one that will take a few years.

A lot of people buy pieds or wants them and that is why the cost so much.

A Pied that is breeding age and size will cost a lot more than one that will take a few years.

The reason why I ask if pieds are in demand because I want to buy this pied, but later on my breeding plans might change and I might want to sell the pied in order to fund my other project which is a BEl instead of Bel/pied.

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

my breeder bought a spider female for $ 8000 they do not hold value they drop every year. pieds hold better than some but they still drop.

Op no one can really answer this for you. But things I be thinking about are are you going to breed professionally (full time 70% of your income from it) serious amateur (support your hobby costs) or just casually? The answer is different for all. If you want to go pro there answer is yes no question. Seriously it is likely a good idea if you can spend that money now. The casual breeder it is a maybe be. to me I'd be interested in that individual animal, is it good looking do I want it? is it a good feeder? Is it well tempered. Basically the casual breeder it is a pet and having a mean or poor feeder (maybe both) animal is not worth it. Pro breeders don't care if it is a good pet it isn't a pet but an investment in future revenue. Semipro might not be overly bothered by a ill tempered animal as it will pay the bills or at least its own keep.

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Words of wisdom!

So, we all are dying to know what the "good deal" is priced at? Spill the beans! :P

Yes pieds are in demand. They are one of the morphs that make people that don't even like snakes say, "whoa." Of course there are others that can't stand the looks of them. The best part about having a female pied is what ever you hatch out will be 100% het for pied. If you hatch out a male lesser 100% het pied like you mentioned, you could possibly breed him back to her the following season to try for lesser pieds. That sounds promising to me.

I came real close to purchasing a 50/50 white female pied off fauna for $575 shipped. That's the lowest I've ever seen them listed, but of course it was a hatchling. I didn't go for it because I'm trying for my own pieds this year.

For the right price I'd drive 4 hours.

the female i might get is 550
and she is 550 grams

Pieds in my area are not priced as high as some places. Pricing is at least here on the east coast of Canada is lower on the high end and higher on the low end. Normal are about 50-75$ mojave 300-500 but albinos are 600-900 if you can find them. Pieds are super rare but the demand is quite low and the number of people willing and able to spend pied prices is even lower. I'd normally expect to be in the 1000 range and maybe 1600 for a really nice female generally speaking. But it is really variable the price is what they can get. Around here the very few breeders have limited space so they need to get the young ones out. So pricing starts high and drops dramatically this time of year. The only morphs that hold their price in my area are the bread and butter morphs (Mojave, pastel and spider) The rest go up and down a lot.

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Originally Posted by Maddumpling

the female i might get is 550
and she is 550 grams

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No doubts about it, I would hop all over that. Great find!

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

Pieds in my area are not priced as high as some places. Pricing is at least here on the east coast of Canada is lower on the high end and higher on the low end. Normal are about 50-75$ mojave 300-500 but albinos are 600-900 if you can find them. Pieds are super rare but the demand is quite low and the number of people willing and able to spend pied prices is even lower. I'd normally expect to be in the 1000 range and maybe 1600 for a really nice female generally speaking. But it is really variable the price is what they can get. Around here the very few breeders have limited space so they need to get the young ones out. So pricing starts high and drops dramatically this time of year. The only morphs that hold their price in my area are the bread and butter morphs (Mojave, pastel and spider) The rest go up and down a lot.

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Wow $600-900 for an albino still? I think they are worth it. I spent $800 for a 400 gram girl about five years ago and it was a steal at that time. At one of the shows I went to a guy had female albinos reduced to $200 a piece! I would have bought all three but sadly I didn't have rack space left at the time.

For 550 thats a no brainer. But to who said snakes hold value they do not lol. Every year the market floods with what was popular the year before then the price drops. In late 2002 i dropped some serious cash on a male spider. We are talking over 14 k . Now look at them. Now i did however make my investment back huge. But thats what happens. Now with recessive gene animals it take longer to drop. Pieds are being used in every combo just cause they are so awesome to cross. Im hoping to hit jackpot this year with albino pieds and bumblebee pieds. I love the morph.

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Originally Posted by snake lab

For 550 thats a no brainer. But to who said snakes hold value they do not lol. Every year the market floods with what was popular the year before then the price drops. In late 2002 i dropped some serious cash on a male spider. We are talking over 14 k . Now look at them. Now i did however make my investment back huge. But thats what happens. Now with recessive gene animals it take longer to drop. Pieds are being used in every combo just cause they are so awesome to cross. Im hoping to hit jackpot this year with albino pieds and bumblebee pieds. I love the morph.

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I'm crossing my fingers for you. Albino pieds are one of my dream snakes.

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Originally Posted by eel588

Wow $600-900 for an albino still? I think they are worth it. I spent $800 for a 400 gram girl about five years ago and it was a steal at that time. At one of the shows I went to a guy had female albinos reduced to $200 a piece! I would have bought all three but sadly I didn't have rack space left at the time.

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The problem is location, no one breeds them here so every when one comes up locally it is the price you might expect plus shipping plus some extra because you can see the snake. The last one was in the winter they wanted 1000 but I think took less how much less I don't know. It was gone in 2 weeks.

Yea canada prices are alot different then here. My buddy just did the canada show last weekend and he sold an albino spider male baby for 2500. The same snake is 1000 here all day. But he also had to deal with all the permit and customs hassle and pre ship all his animals to get into the country

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

my breeder bought a spider female for $ 8000 they do not hold value they drop every year. pieds hold better than some but they still drop.

Op no one can really answer this for you. But things I be thinking about are are you going to breed professionally (full time 70% of your income from it) serious amateur (support your hobby costs) or just casually? The answer is different for all. If you want to go pro there answer is yes no question. Seriously it is likely a good idea if you can spend that money now. The casual breeder it is a maybe be. to me I'd be interested in that individual animal, is it good looking do I want it? is it a good feeder? Is it well tempered. Basically the casual breeder it is a pet and having a mean or poor feeder (maybe both) animal is not worth it. Pro breeders don't care if it is a good pet it isn't a pet but an investment in future revenue. Semipro might not be overly bothered by a ill tempered animal as it will pay the bills or at least its own keep.

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It really depends. Are Bananas gonna cost $30,000 forever? No. But we're talking about a pied. When it comes to single gene morphs that have been in the market for a while than your not gonna see a huge drop. The prices of spiders are not really going to drop at this point - especially if you have a proven breeder.

Other than this I agree with the quoted post. It depends on a lot of factors and again - whether or not its going to work into your breeding plans. If your looking to get a pied and you have found a good deal on it - than I say go for it.

I bought 1.2 Pastel het. axanthics for $300.00. They feed great and don't have any health issues aside from a case of mites at the moment (which they acquired after I bought them). Deals exist out there and if you find them and you can use the animals - do it.

Cheers.

Normal spiders are virtually worthless in value at this point for male babies. You can get proven males at the shows for 100 bucks. I think what ya will see soon are spiders and pastel males in the big box pet stores more frequentlly.

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

my breeder bought a spider female for $ 8000 they do not hold value they drop every year. pieds hold better than some but they still drop.

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well i mean yeah.. .new morphs tend to drop a lot faster the more readily available they become but females that are breeding size tend to even out about $1200-$2500 range after its all said and done

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Originally Posted by snake lab

Normal spiders are virtually worthless in value at this point for male babies. You can get proven males at the shows for 100 bucks. I think what ya will see soon are spiders and pastel males in the big box pet stores more frequentlly.

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I've already seen (extremely poor-quality) pastels in the local Pet Smart a few times (for the meager sum of only $250 :rolleyes: ) ... I think it would be a great thing if morphs start to become more popular in the pet market ...

To the OP, a 500 gram 50/50 white female pied for $550 is the kind of thing I'd definitely drive four hours for if I could find the time to do it (though I'm also one of those folks who likes to go on miniature driving adventures to pick up animals) ... Then again I absolutely love pieds and would like to eventually build up a small stable of them in my collection.

I paid 600 for my 40% pied male and I paid 2k for my 06 female. If you can get her for that I would do the drive in a heart beat. Heck my wife who complains about my hobby would want me to do that drive if I could save that much money:D