Normal female to a Pie Bald Male?

So I was wondering if this will work if I go along with this advice. I have been wanting a Pied for a while. Today I ran in to someone with his at a gas station. He told me he would sell his for around $2000, or he had a baby at home he would sell for around $600. I told him I don't have the money to buy right now but its in my plans to get one eventually.

He told me that his would work and the possibilities. I breed my normal female to his pied male, and lets say if it is a clutch of six eggs, I could end up with 2 normals, 2 normals het for pied, and with Fingers crossed two pieds

is this possible?

Reason why I was asking he told me if a Pied shows up out of the clutch I can have it for nothing, I would just have to split the profits from selling the others 70-30 (being my female I would get the 70%...)

Pied to normal will give all normals - 100% het.....no pieds... nope won't work.

Pied male x normal female = all babies will look normal but carry the pied gene. So they would all be 100% het pied, NO pieds would result.

If you kept the baby girls and bred one of those back to a pied, you have a chance of getting a pied.

Out of that pairing though, you would not get any visual pieds.

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Originally Posted by womsterr

Pied to normal will give all normals - 100% het.....no pieds... nope won't work.

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um wow that was fast thanks. but if I obtained a 100% het out of the clutch and later bread it to a pied I will get a Pied?

no pieds in that clutch... :weirdface

Pied is recessive morph so if You breed pied male to normal female You will get non visual carriers of Pied gene called Het for Pied...

They will look like normals but they will carry pied gene...

if you Breed them together (hets for pied) You will have 25% for every egg that You'll get pied...

If You'll breed pied to Het for pied You'll have 50% CHANCE FOR EVERY EGG to get pied...

you would have a chance.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html

for a better idea of how it works.

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Originally Posted by crepers86

um wow that was fast thanks. but if I obtained a 100% het out of the clutch and later bread it to a pied I will get a Pied?

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You will have a good shot. You will get 50% pied 50% het pied from that paring, statistically speaking.

I think I am liking how this works. If I have patience in a couple of years I can have the free pied then.

so I am trying to remember this one right. If i breed my normal to a spider I will get 50% normal and 50% spiders, right?

What about with clowns?

haha...factor in 3 years or so of rats into that equation ;) Unless you raise your own....then factor in rat foot ;)

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Originally Posted by tcutting

you would have a chance.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/gen...recessive.html

for a better idea of how it works.

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no scientific stuff at the moment I am trying to put it into simple terms first.

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Originally Posted by crepers86

I think I am liking how this works. If I have patience in a couple of years I can have the free pied then.

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You have to study your genetics. Spider = dominant Clown = recessive

Spider x Normal = 50/50 Spider/Normal

Spider x Clown = 100% normal het clown

here is a simple calculator you can work on your own

http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx

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Originally Posted by crepers86

no scientific stuff at the moment I am trying to put it into simple terms first.

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its not that scientific, use the punnett square. helps you SEE how it all works instead of just reading a bunch of stuff.

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Originally Posted by womsterr

You have to study your genetics. Spider = dominant Clown = recessive

Spider x Normal = 50/50 Spider/Normal

Spider x Clown = 100% normal het clown

here is a simple calculator you can work on your own

http://geneticcalculator.traxxtec.de/en/rechner.aspx

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I want a killer clown so bad, but even so I like bees as well so I am buying a pastel, but I if I can make a deal with using my female as a breeder I can kind of (at a cheaper rate) build my morph collection. Like this guy has some spider males that he breeds, and he is willing to throw my female in that is ready for breeding, and we both can make a little bit of money, so in the long run even after rat food, I still get what I want for free

I mean because even buying frozen feeders for three years is still cheaper then $2000

the only way to breed pieds WITH THE SNAKES YOU CLAIM TO OWN*** (this of course can be done many other ways) is...


male pied x normal female.

(if you get a hetpied female your first try)

raise that for 2-3 years breed it back to the dad.

lets say (and i know nothing of pieds abbreviations but lets just say..)

heres how a punnent would look if

PP = male pied
nn= normal female

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--- | P | P
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n | Pn | Pn
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n | Pn | Pn




pns are hets. they dont show any pied


| P | P
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P | PP | PP
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n | Pn | Pn

Hi,

I'm lazy - I'd want to buy a female pied now rather than a male so that in four years I might have bred my pieds and now be in prime position to start adding genes into the mix to make pied combo's more quickly.


dr del

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Originally Posted by womsterr

You will have a good shot. You will get 50% pied 50% het pied from that paring, statistically speaking.

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Technically that's not true. Each EGG has a 50% chance of being pied or het pied. Not that the clutch will be 50/50.

Same thing with co-doms bred to normals. It's not that you'll statisically get 50/50, it's that each EGG has a 50/50 chance of be normal or co-dom.

Clown works the same as pied, it is recessive. If you're confused, here are some traits of recessive genes.

• Genes come in pairs. When an animal is "het" for a gene, that means it has 1 of possible 2.
• For a recessive gene to be visual, the animal needs to be "homozygous" for that gene, meaning both genes are that recessive trait.
• To be homozygous, the babies must receive 1 recessive gene from each parent.
• Since a visual pied is obviously homozygous, he has a 100% chance of passin on his pied gene, since both genes are pied. His babies only got 1 pied gene though, so they are all now "het".

Things start getting messier with possible hets. What's happening there is that you bred 2 hets to each other, but because each het only has 1 pied gene in their gene pair, there is a possibility they passed the normal gene and not the pied gene. Since the babies will either be het or normal, you can't tell, and they declared "poss het" and are very cheap because the buyer is taking a risk.

This whole thing has red flags written all over it. Why would someone who has a pied, want to breed to someone who has a normal ... I just don't understand ... Is this a friend or just someone you met?