Are ringers hereditary...hmmm, maybe.

So here's the story; I bred a pied to a female cinny who was at the time 50% het pied. Guess what? She's 0% pied. What a pisser. Anyway, mom has an interesting ringer by her tail and all these years I've heard ringers don't mean anything, and I agreed...until this little beauty hatched out last night. Interesting; a ringer in the same spot mom has one. Could this be hereditary? Any thoughts on this?
BTW, check out that funky stripe down her back. I've already named this morph "definite holdback". http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/p...cinnybabyA.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/p...f/cinnymom.jpg

hmmm,nice pattern too..:O

I think that they are genetic. I have 4 het pied sisters. 2 of them have slight ringers! I'm going to breed one to my pewter ringer male and see if anything happens!

Check out Dave's thread!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...amps-post-shed

Welcome to BP.net :colbert2:, lately there seem to be many proving that ringers are hereditary, nice hatchling you got there, it should be named "I want to go live at Lisa's" :P

welcome Dav!! nice to see you here! post some of your bulls in the pit section!

Gorgeous pattern too! Good luck with this project! :gj:

I can see why you are holding her back, amazing!

Thanks everyone. She's about to have her first shed. Can't wait to see that ringer turn white!

That baby is gorgeous!Very interesting pattern on him for sure.

You could have just gotten hosed on the odds of the clutch.
What did you end up getting in the whole clutch?
Just because you didnt produce any pieds this time, i wouldnt rule out the cinny being 50% het, unless of course being 50% het goes a little differently. This i do not know. I only work with 100% hets.
Just trying to maybe give you some hope :)

As far as ringers go, Im no help. I have a little 100g fire thats is a ringer and I plan to fit him into my future breeding program. But as far as Ive heard, ringer is still unknown in what causes it. But for you to produce a ringer from mom who is a ringer is pretty good, if baby produces another ringer one day then I'd day you have strong proof that it could be genetic IMO.

Either way you made cinnys het for pied and those are a pretty penny and a great project.
Congrats!:gj:

Thanks muse, I thought of that too. She laid three good eggs. I got 1.1 het pieds, and this girl. I haven't decided who her bunk mate will be next season yet. I'm leaning towards pairing her up with a bee and making some black widows. We'll see. I have another pos het cinny that I'll prove out (or not) next season so if anything I may have a pair of 100% het pied cinnys that would be unrelated.

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Originally Posted by davkaufman

Thanks muse, I thought of that too. She laid three good eggs. I got 1.1 het pieds, and this girl. I haven't decided who her bunk mate will be next season yet. I'm leaning towards pairing her up with a bee and making some black widows. We'll see. I have another pos het cinny that I'll prove out (or not) next season so if anything I may have a pair of 100% het pied cinnys that would be unrelated.

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I think you just got hosed really. Only 3 eggs, which sucks by itself. Two het pieds and one cinny het pied.
I think you should try her with the pied next year, or breed her to both males and see what happens.
Maybe your luck can turn around next season.
At least you got 2 hatchlings and one super cool one, that makes it worth it anyways.

What he said.. ^^^ If she is somehow het Pied... 3 eggs that's nothing....
I talk with Brian from BHB he have cause he breed same pair hets for albino 4 years at row and they final prove at 4th breeding.
Remember that Pied to het pied is Statistically 50/50 every egg but same is a flip coin... How many time You flip head 5 x at row ???

I'll breed her to the same male at least couple times before I'll give up on her...

And that is really nice cinny het Pied :gj::gj::gj: