The superball (blood python X ball python)

So I saw this thing called a superball which is a blood python bred to a ball python. I saw them on roussis reptiles and also on snakebytes tv. they look like this

http://roussisreptiles.com/images/pics/superball/4L.jpg

I was just wondering what people thought of these, honest opinion please. I know some people are way against it, and some think they are kind of cool. So let me know

I don't agree with breeding hybrids.

I think they're cool - I know a lot of people are against it for whatever reason but I think they're wicked awesome. I want an angry ball. :) The super balls are cool too - i especially like that one in the picture, awesome creatures hybrids are.

I think theyre pretty cool looking.
But the point of breeding them i dont see a need.
It would benfit neither species, and you couldnt use the hybrid for anything but a neat looking pet.

I'm on the fence with hybrids. Some of them look great, but the way people go about making them is sometimes awful. I don't want to see clutch after clutch of dead babies before a new snake successfully appears, that's not cool. I also don't want to see snakes that look so similar they can be easily confused for the regular population, because you don't want to dirty up the bloodlines.

If the snakes are healthy, they are properly identified, and people are responsible with them, I think some of them are quite beautiful. But when people start stepping out of line it gets iffy.

I actually have seen some hybrids happen in the wild. It's rare, but it happens. Of course you aren't going to naturally find a green tree python that mates with a carpet python in the wild, but you aren't going to naturally find a coral glow desert super pastel either. As long as there is no damage to the animal and it lives fine and healthy, cool... Honestly I've seen albinos of some species that do worse than some hybrids but I don't have a problem with them if they are maintained properly. (certain albino lizards requiring uvb have a habit of going blind. Albino iguanas even have a much higher chance of it)


I personally wouldn't want to produce them or anything! As a pet, it would be interesting.

Meh. Thats all I have to say...






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I think the superball looks totally awesome.
But I wouldn't consider it as a pet or as a breeding project by the reasons mentioned above by purplemuffin.

I say no bloods are mean from what I have read. Why dirty the ball name by making it mean?

Why dirty the bloods name just by something you've read?

Not all bloods are mean. Bloods are amazing creatures. Ive had mean ball pythons. Ball pythons don't eat and are boring as hell.

Besides. The superball started out as a Borneo x ball. Not blood. But hey.

I think some of the hybrids out there are pretty neat looking, but for me it just seems like it will cause more issues then help. Like when someone breeds this hybrid to a full blood and sells the babies as a full blood when it contains hybrid genes in it.

I am all for hybrids. Some hybrids even exist naturally. Some domesticated animals and plats are actually hybridized. Corn anyone? Certain apples. Mules...

I think as long as it is done responsibly it is fine. Unlike, say, killer bees, which was done on purpose in an irresposible manner.

does anyone not see a danger here? I can see mud bloods being passed off as the real thing, next thing the true blood line is lost, Are these hybrid even fertile, as sometime crossing breeds can result in sterile animals being produced not to mention mutation of illness...

I see it as cheating the true blood line, if it happens in the wild, then it's an act of nature... in captivity... NOOOO

Isn't the Super Balls that Rousiss produced Borneo Short-Tail & Ball Python?

Are hybrids sterile? I know mules can't reproduce and neither could the Liger (Lion x Tiger Hybrid). Is this true with reptile hybrids as well?

Either way I'm not for it, but I do think they make interesting animals.

nice...take a nice mellow normally shy bp & give it a nasty attitude. :gj:
no thanks.
i see no need for hybrids too cuz each species has qualities that are unique to it so why smear it up with something else that could potentially taint it in a negative way?

i love the colors on bloods but the meanness i keep reading on them makes me hesitate about thinking about ever owning one.

The only hybrid I think looks cool is the wall (woma x ball). Those are two completely different looking snakes so there isn't any confusion. I do say keep stp on there own. They are cool enough already!

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I never understood the argument against hybrids. I see two points always brought up, people passing off something for what its not, so you must be against breeding recessive morphs and/or subtle morphs? its not natural, so your against designer morphs and people keeping animals as pets, domesticated dogs and cats ect....

Its the pet trade, why not explore all the possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Biffard

Are hybrids sterile? I know mules can't reproduce and neither could the Liger (Lion x Tiger Hybrid). Is this true with reptile hybrids as well?

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carpondros are fertile, though I think its only been done with a carpondro x gtp or carpondro x carpet, havn't herd of a carpondro x carpondro. I'm sure it depends on the animals if they can or not.

my being against hybrids is specific to when there's 2 animals with opposing behavioral traits & when creating the hybrid will cause potential health risks for the offspring.
i do acknowledge that some hybrids are bred for their resulting benefits such as mules.
you get the size of the horse + the working ability of the donkey = larger, stronger animal but their major downside...they're sterile. gotta take the bad with the good, i guess.
i'm all for hybrids only when creating them is needed/beneficial for all parties involved.
for example, breeding a ball to a ball to create a designer ball - good.
however, throwing 2 creatures together to create something to brag about - bad.
my points may seemingly be opposing sides of the same coin but i just see the fine line between what's ok & whats not & that line is thicker/thinner depending on who's dealing with it.
each of us has our own opinions on this touchy subject & as long as we can all respect our fellow person's opinions, having these differences doesnt have to be a problem.
right? [looks around at bp.net community] ;)

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

my being against hybrids is specific to when there's 2 animals with opposing behavioral traits & when creating the hybrid will cause potential health risks for the offspring.

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You can't know until it's done what the results will be. Say with a blood ball, you could get the size of the blood with the pattern of a ball. Or the other way around. No one knew what it would be until it was done.

And do you know how many dogs and cats are predisposed to injury and disease due the their breeding? Yet they are still bred and loved by many.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

i'm all for hybrids only when creating them is needed/beneficial for all parties involved.
for example, breeding a ball to a ball to create a designer ball - good.
however, throwing 2 creatures together to create something to brag about - bad.
my points may seemingly be opposing sides of the same coin but i just see the fine line between what's ok & whats not & that line is thicker/thinner depending on who's dealing with it.
each of us has our own opinions on this touchy subject & as long as we can all respect our fellow person's opinions, having these differences doesnt have to be a problem. right? [looks around at bp.net community] ;)

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Honestly it does look like you've contradicted yourself here. Being the first to produce a morph is as much for bragging rights as it is for the money.

To me, making designer morphs is the same as making a designer species (hybrid). As long as the offspring is healthy, not harmful, and someone actually wants them then I don't see a problem.

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Originally Posted by Peoples

Are these hybrid even fertile, as sometime crossing breeds can result in sterile animals being produced not to mention mutation of illness...

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I know Carballs aren't fertile (carpetsxballs), it seems to be the trend that hybrid reptiles are usually sterile. Then again I might not have done enough research.

My stance is, it's an interesting idea, but I like to have my snakes 100% one breed. It's just more natural, and I feel it's even more cool to own something that happens normally in nature.

I tend to agree with hybrids being ok. Especially when its something clearly identifiable like the superball. I can see where people wouldn't like it when you look at some of the colubrids it can be hard to tell the difference especially when people don't really know alot about the animals. However, I think that it the hybrid is clearly identifiable and label what it is then why not? As long as people are responsible and it is the breeders job to make sure he labels his snakes correctly

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Originally Posted by Munizfire

Meh. Thats all I have to say...

x2 not very interesting. i don't hate hybrids but that is a pretty boring looking animal. certainly not as nice or interesting as either of the parents.





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Its cool looking for sure. I dont think any species is just a mean species. Just like any other creature u treat it well and it most likely wont hate u lol. there are very few "natural" ball python color morphs in the wild either so im not sure why people have such a fuss over hybrids. all species will evolve and who are we to say it isnt "natural"

Bloods are not mean. If you have a mean snake, it's your fault.

Hybrids are produced by taking two $50 snakes and producing $2000 ones. There's no other reason than that.

Chris

I think as long as we are responsible with it it could be a new thing

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Why dirty the bloods name just by something you've read?

Not all bloods are mean. Bloods are amazing creatures. Ive had mean ball pythons. Ball pythons don't eat and are boring as hell.
Besides. The superball started out as a Borneo x ball. Not blood. But hey.

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I agree 100% .....go Borneos and Bloods !! :groinkick

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I don't think this stuff is necessary--it's way off topic. To each their own in regards to which type of snake they like keeping. I have pissy pythons and pissy colubrids. I have boring pythons and boring colubrids. I have ACTIVE pythons (yes, active BPs) and ACTIVE colubrids. No point in stereotyping or bashing these creatures....they are all amazing (IMHO). Now back to the OP's question.

I enjoy looking at hybrids; I'll never produce one, nor keep one, but they are a marvel.

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Originally Posted by mumps

Bloods are not mean. If you have a mean snake, it's your fault.

Hybrids are produced by taking two $50 snakes and producing $2000 ones. There's no other reason than that.

Chris

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I agree that they are way over priced, it may take years to make but thats because you wanted to. There is no reason to give hybrids the price tags they have other than greediness. I also agree that mean snakes are mean because of owners and/or not being worked with.

At least the price tag limits the amount made. Would you like them cheaper so you see MORE of them? I'd prefer hybrids stay a little rarer, so there is less of a chance of them mixing with the population. Some of them are not sterile, there are some hybrids of hybrids. If they stay as a rare oddity the people who want them will buy them and that's it. You won't see these at shows or anything.

Hybrids don't bother me as long as it's not something that can be passed off as a pure animal. Nobody would mistake a carpball for a normal ball or a Carpet so it doesn't bother me.

Also, bloods aren't mean snakes. Some snakes get a rep for being "mean" such as bloods and retics. Retics aren't mean, they're just intelligent and know how to test their/your boundaries. Bloods are more shy than mean most of the time and often are kind of like super fat ball pythons who don't poop as often.

I don't know there are alot of big time breeders starting some side projects with hybrids... These are the people you have to worry about lowering the market value of the snakes. And it will be the average collector that starts to muddy up the blood lines. We've seen quiet a bit of it in the colubrids, and unless you are an expert on them you could end up with one not even knowing it.....

i want to breed superballs and Gtp x carpet pythons