3 babies daddys? Maybe something new? Here is the update you requested.

I first mentioned this boy in this thread... http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ny-Serious-DUW

To make a long story short, I paired a female pastel (3 years old, first time breeder) with a cinnamon and a spider. 4 eggs were laid. 1 normal, 1 cinny, 1 bumble bee, and this thing. Now my only other male breeder this year was a pastel. So it is certainly possible that I screwed up somewhere in my breeding records and also paired her with the male pastel. Obviously the clutch was fathered by both the spider and the cinny... but has anyone ever heard of a 4 egg clutch with 3 babies daddy's before?!

Whatever this thing is, the yellow is getting more and more yellow with each shed. It is eating like a champ and has already shed two more times. The lips and fire say super pastel, but the lack of fading on the back contradicts that. I compared it a couple days ago in person with 2 super pastels, and this thing was a totally different color yellow then the super pastels I was comparing it to. It doesn't have any of the darkening specks yet that you see on pastels... the ones that get bigger and darker as the snake grows.
What do you think?

Here is the snake in question:

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2155.jpg
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2153.jpg
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2155.jpg

Here she is with one of my better pastels about the same age

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2156.jpg

First thought is super, on the head and front 1/3 of her but the back of her does look different:confused:

Tim Bailey believes he's got five sires in a nine egg clutch... so it's possible to have three sires in your clutch.

Whether or not that is actually going on, I sure couldn't say. Part of me thinks maybe you just have an exceptional pastel. But I'm not sure I've ever seen one that exceptional before. :P

For sure, I'd consider it a keeper and see what comes from future breedings. Is it a boy or a girl? (Your post was rather confusing on that detail. :P )

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Originally Posted by JLC

Is it a boy or a girl? (Your post was rather confusing on that detail. :P )

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It is a boy.

Holy smokes. That snake really has better contrasting going on then a desert. That is a yellow I don't really ever recall seeing on any BP. Whatever the heck it is, congrats and keep us updated on future breedings!

Are you sure that the adults aren't het Hypo? That looks like a Pastel Hypo to me. I recently had a buddy pop out a Hypo Cinnamon from a pair of Cinnamons he bought from me that I never knew there was any Hypo involved in my original male Cinnamon.

look like a pastel vanilla to me. pics of the adults?

adam jeffery

very sweet lookin snake

wow,that yellow is sick.

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

Are you sure that the adults aren't het Hypo? That looks like a Pastel Hypo to me. I recently had a buddy pop out a Hypo Cinnamon from a pair of Cinnamons he bought from me that I never knew there was any Hypo involved in my original male Cinnamon.

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x2 I think he is het hypo. He looks like my pastel het hypo girl. She retained 95% of her color and did not brown out as an adult. She also has the washed out head.

I agree with Luke too....he screams Pastel Ghost to me. If he is....that will be fun figuring out if he got the Ghost trait from the Cinny male or the Spider male.....

He's a looker...good luck with that project.

They would BOTH have to be hypo/ghost to show like that though

im not seeing ghost. too much black. its a color lightning gene for sure. vanilla, fire along those lines. unless its a low grade ghost or possibly a HET ghost were it lightens it up alot.
adam jeffery

One way to tell for sure if its a hypo....what do the sheds look like?

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

One way to tell for sure if its a hypo....what do the sheds look like?

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We used that method to figure out what our girl was and we had some people on here say that's not true. I'm guessing what your saying is if it's a ghost the sheds will be clear with no pattern right ? We have what we have considered to be a pastel ghost due to her consistent clear sheds.

Also post pics of mom. I see super pastel. With a pastel ghost the black will be lighter. Either way he's a looker and a keeper ;)
This is what we have after all her sheds being clear and asking some local breeders considered to be a pastel ghost. Only breeding will prove it out. But she has the super faded head,blushing and the black it faded.
http://tapatalk.com/mu/463f17ca-658e-a1ae.jpg
http://tapatalk.com/mu/463f17ca-660e-088f.jpg

He is hot stuffs. I don't really see ghost, but more like a clean desert look. But doesn't look like the only desert-pastel I've seen, which looked more like a ehhh-pastel. This looks hot yellow and clean.

that's an incredible boy! Congrats!!

Looks like a firefly I saw today. Could the dam be a fire?

.....:D Part of me wishes that is just a really really ridiculously awesome pastel. If it was, I would want it so bad! :gj:

I'm thinking it's a pastel ghost..OR het ghost, as even hets affect the coloration.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...29#post1626929

Reminds me of this thread.

I don't see hypo at all in that. It's not "frosted" enough to be hypo, and POG's tend to have completely gray heads, as in solid gray heads. Like this:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...1/IMG_6761.jpg

It's an exceptional pastel for sure. Looks like you need to breed it to figure out what's going on with it.

Yes, POGs are more frosted....but if this particular Pastel happens to be Hypo like a Citrus Ghost...the colors will be more vibrant and crisp however muted just enough. When I look at these picts...this Pastel's pattern and pattern outline (especially noticeable on the head and face) is muted and looks like a type of Pastel Citrus Ghost line....

Ultimately, future breedings will need to be done....