Makin' Bees (and getting females to breeding weight)

So for a long time I've been absolutely in ~love~ with bumblebee morphs. They were the first BP morph I ever saw (did anyone else have the "holycrapwhatspeciesisthat!?" reaction the first time they were introduced to the world of morphs?)

anyways, my love of bees is what led me to the decision that I didn't want to just have a bee, oh no, I wanted to MAKE bees. So yesterday I bought an 09 proven breeder male spider and a young female pastel. The male is ready to breed this coming season but the female is currently at around 250 grams.

So my question is:
What do you seasoned breeders usually breed at? I know its north of 1200 grams or something like that and is there good way to help my girl gain weight or is it just the waiting game till she's big enough?

Also, I've been doing my best to research everything I can about BPs and breeding and genetics before I start anything, but from what I understand Spider is a dominant gene, so if I bred my Spider to my normal, I would get something like 25% spider, 25% spider het and then 50% more normals? I think?

and for that matter, when I breed him to the pastel that would make 25% pastel, 25% spiders, 25% bees...and what else? Hets? or just norms? or would the percents be split a different way? and if its hets...het for what? bee? pastel? spider? all of the above? There are so many morphs out there it starts to get super confusing for a first timer...thanks for any info, tips, or tricks!

Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png


Some females can take 2 to 3 years before they are ready to breed;)

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Originally Posted by Jackal

and if its hets...het for what? bee? pastel? spider? all of the above?

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They are dom and co-dom............not recessive <---this is the only way to get a het.



The odds are 25% per individual egg

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What do you seasoned breeders usually breed at? I know its north of 1200 grams or something like that and is there good way to help my girl gain weight or is it just the waiting game till she's big enough?

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I'm not a seasoned breeder, but I believe the accepted min weight is 1400-1600g. It's pretty much a waiting game to get her big enough, but you can feed her every 5 days and she should grow fairly well IF she eats consistantly. I have a BP that was 209g back in May and she's now north of 600g.

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Also, I've been doing my best to research everything I can about BPs and breeding and genetics before I start anything, but from what I understand Spider is a dominant gene, so if I bred my Spider to my normal, I would get something like 25% spider, 25% spider het and then 50% more normals? I think?

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There are no hets with spiders. Spider to normal will give you 50% spider, 50% normal.

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and for that matter, when I breed him to the pastel that would make 25% pastel, 25% spiders, 25% bees...and what else? Hets? or just norms? or would the percents be split a different way? and if its hets...het for what? bee? pastel? spider? all of the above? There are so many morphs out there it starts to get super confusing for a first timer...thanks for any info, tips, or tricks!

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Spider to pastel will give you 25% spider, 25% pastel, 25% bee and 25% normal.

sorry to hijack the thread, but If I mate a bee with a normal i get:
25% bee
25% pastel
25% spider
25% normal
too right?

Ah learning things already, thanks for the genetic calculator Pit, its really cool.
I didn't know that you needed recessives to make hets, but thinking on it now that really makes a LOT more sense to me...

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Originally Posted by Munizfire

sorry to hijack the thread, but If I mate a bee with a normal i get:
25% bee
25% pastel
25% spider
25% normal
too right?

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Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/gfx/logo.png

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Originally Posted by Munizfire

sorry to hijack the thread, but If I mate a bee with a normal i get:
25% bee
25% pastel
25% spider
25% normal
too right?

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Go to genetics wizard above and click Spider, hold Ctrl and click Pastel on same side, then click calculate. Should show normal, spider, pastel and bee...all 25%...

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Originally Posted by Jackal

Ah learning things already, thanks for the genetic calculator Pit, its really cool.
I didn't know that you needed recessives to make hets, but thinking on it now that really makes a LOT more sense to me...

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World Of Ball Pythons is a GREAT place..................just watch the "morph" page:rofl::rofl::rofl:

thanks! I was trying to see how I could get combos on the calc! :gj::gj::gj::gj::gj:

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Originally Posted by Munizfire

thanks! I was trying to see how I could get combos on the calc! :gj::gj::gj::gj::gj:

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I have done it sooo much I forget I'm pushing the control key:oops:

My first clutch of Pastel x Spider breeding is hatching this weekend, and it looks like 3 Bumble bees, 2 Pastels, 1 Normal, and 1 not sure yet.(they are not all out of the eggs yet) I would have to say that I got VERY good odds on this clutch.

I will try and breed a little bit heavier next time because I had a girl at 1600 grams breed this year and she went all the way down to 729, she didn't eat at all during the breeding season.

Keep in mind that the calculators give you a theoretical outcome, the "odds" can really go either way