Mojave Breeders Take A Look

I got a 1.1 pair of mojave back in 09 as hatchlings. As they aged, their colors changed a bit as you can see. Bred the male to normal girl and the baby popped out.

Im being told the adult mojaves and baby are NOT regular mojaves, that something is hidden.

What you think

Female that hatched last month
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...eHatchling.jpg

Hatchlings Aunt at 2000g
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...000gfemale.jpg

The Dad of hatchling above.
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/100_4240.jpg
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/100_4239.jpg
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s.../100_42391.jpg

I dunno....they look like mojaves to me. But I don't have a great eye for the more subtle differences.

I think the same rule would apply here that applies anytime someone posts a picture of a cool looking normal and says, "Is this a morph?". No way to say for sure until you breed it out and prove it.

Call those Dinker Mojos? :P

Well the hatchling is being said isnt normal mojave. This is all coming from Ralph Davis when i asked him.


I want to get this settled asap as i have the hatchling posted for grabs and need to know what im doing.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Well the hatchling is being said isnt normal mojave. This is all coming from Ralph Davis when i asked him.

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It looks like a great example of a mojave to me. But what does Ralph Davis say it looks like, besides not a normal mojave? Did he explain why he said that?

This is his last email he sent not long ago. But Ralph isnt the only one to say this which is why im now posting to get more insight. There were normals in same clutch that had granite speckling on them.

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Rich.....Dad is definitely not a "regular mojo"......I do not work with
mojos that much so I wouldn’t know too much. But I would surely have to say
that your Mojo Dad is a cross of some type or has some "extra"
ingredients......what did The Snake Keeper say?

Thanks,
Ralph

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The dad and aunt are definitely really neat! The colors are off!

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As you can see, not your normal mojave having yellow/red in the color

How the rest of "Normals" from the clutch looks like??? Any Indicator that Het Red Axanthic /Green Pastel could be involved ???

The normals im not sure. One has peppering on its sides the others not sure as they were sold to a guy in Ohio. Hes waiting for them to shed so i can get pics of them. If they have anything up shall know soon.

I contacted the original breeder of my 1.1 09 mojos and he dont see anything up with the Dams. My mojos came from 2 diff female normals but same dad and both look the same in color. He didnt produce the mojo but bought it from Eric Sandoval in 2006.

He is digging hoping to find something that could explain the colors

Honestly don't see anything too special. Colors seem a little darker but that wouldn't add value for me.

Something is a bit different with those. MUDDOC works with them so he may have something to say. He has a very different line going on also.

They have nice blushing and look like really nice Mojos, but I don't see much else going on. How many different lines of Mojos are out there now? Could they just be a different line?

No idea, Heres the Female when i first got her back in 09, as you see colors changed. May be nothing not sure. I thought they were just awesome mojos till im told something else is going on.

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/100_3047.jpg

Heres the male when i got em As you see his colors are different now.
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...o09M1/Male.jpg

Hey Rich,

One of my good friends here in the Bay Area specializes in mojaves. He has I believe three of his own "lines" now that works with and has taken years to prefect them. I'd def give him a shout and send some pics over. He's not on Bpnet but trust me, he knows his mojos and he's a really super nice guy to talk to. Been in the business a long time.

His name is Brian Gundy. Business is "For Goodness Snakes" out of Campbell, CA. Search FGS9 on YouTube and u can reach him. I'm sure he could give u some direction. Tell him Calen referred you. Good luck!

That is a great looking Mojave.

The only think I noticed is almost a black pastel looking squiggly mark in the pattern. Otherwise I'm not really getting it.

What are you seeing Rich?

Looks neat!! Thanks for sharing!!

Im seeing the reds in the blushing and the faded head that has a hypo look to it. Picture cant capture it, in person they just stand out as the color pops more intense.

Hope video is clear enough forgot to switch phone to HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WI3yt3Znsk

Mojaves come in a huge range. I have a make similar to yours and about half his babies come out with super blushed heads, purple/silver silver blushing, bright patterns that turn almost white as they age and jet black borders. I believe it is a hidden gene. They look really similar to the "Mojave daddy" produced by Jeff Lumen. I suggest taking a look there. I will post pics of some of my mojos in a bit.

Rich did u check out Brian Gundys YouTube page yet? After seein that video u posted, I'm telling u his Gold Blush Mojave line looks EXTREMELY similar to yours. Please check him out and I think u will find ur answer.

Those do remind me of Brian Gundys, Gold Blush Mojos, except more red instead of yellow. However after seing what the GoldBlush gene does when mixed with the GHI, I believe the GoldBlush Mojos to be a double combo morph and not just a line of Mojo.

Maybe one of the normals used to produce these were similar to the GoldBlush?

Rich, Have you bred the original pair together yet? Did you get typical Super Mojos if so?

More questions than answers can sometimes be a good thing. Very Nice Project :gj:

Just my :2cent:
Anthony

Yes i did breed the mojos together but female reabsorbed. So this year shes being paired to mojo and pin again this year.

Honestly, they just look like normal mojos. As with any animal and any morph, there can be lots of variation among them from lots of different genes interacting affecting the phenotype. Just look at the variety of "normals" out there. They all look different, but are still normals with no single gene mutation affecting their appearance.

It's a nice looking mojave, but just a mojave IMO. Though I'd love to be proven wrong.

There all very nice and even better in person. I only posted due to the Emails/PMs i got saying something was up. If not for them i would of just went on my way with how I was

Mojaves seem to come in many shades. If you got one from Eric, I was going to say it could be a Sulfur Mojave but the adults do not look like Sulfur Mojaves. I would say you have some nice looking Mojaves, nothing more, nothing less. If the normal babies look like something different, post their pictures.

Dave

In the UK we refer to these as 'Green Mojaves' I've been working with them since 2007, and what they do in combos is unreal! Green Pastaves are jaw dropping :)

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As you can see, not your normal mojave having yellow/red in the color

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They do look a little "red" to me, mine doesnt look like that..this is my 700g male

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/02/ery5y4ud.jpg

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Originally Posted by Robert093090

They do look a little "red" to me, mine doesnt look like that..this is my 700g male

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/10/02/ery5y4ud.jpg

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That looks like what I would expect a green mojave to look like :) I can't see the sides properly from the angle of that photo, but green is my suspicion :)

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This is a green pastave - Green Mojave x Pastel
[IMG]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSCF8470.jpg[/IMG]

This is a comparison shot of a green mojave female in front of a standard mojave female. Not sure if you can see it clearly, but where the blushing comes up from the sides there is a green tint, and the dorsal markings have a different contrast to the 'alien heads' on the sides. The lighting isn't the best in this photo unfortunately.
http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/...ardMojaves.jpg