Animal Hoarders AZ

Well i guess the Animal Planet made its way to a mobile home in Northern Arizona today and even though i hate alot of the shows on Animal Planet this show actually did some good. check out the story and tell me how u feel about it thanks for looking!

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...escue0822.html

" four pythons between 11 and 16 feet long and two sickly collared lizards. Three of the snakes are reticulated pythons, which Johnson called the "world's lousiest pets."

What a horrible thing to say!

"According to Johnson, it would take about 240 pounds of rabbits each month to sufficiently feed the four pythons."

I think that is stretching it just a bit..

"He said the reptiles also needed more exercise and access to sunlight and water"

Water, yes. Sunlight, no. Exercise??

I applaud the fact that these animals were saved. I'm appalled at the ignorance of the reptile experts involved.

I won't watch AP. Period.

I've been boycotting them for about a year now. I don't care if my favorite dog is on a show on there, I won't support even one show because that keeps the those fear mongers in business.

animal planet seems to be owned by peta lately
......what a joke that channel has become

Badly written and full of misinformation... I think we call that the media where I come from.

Bruce

I honestly think the Phoenix Herpetological Society needs a new president because the one they currently have is horribly misinformed.

I just found this video about it. I don't think it's much better than the article though...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...TVK?&hpt=hp_c2

I watched this last night and agree with you guys on this Herp Society. It was good that this guy was willing to give them up for the good of the animal but these guys are ridiculous. I dont like animal planet anymore unless The Crocodile Hunter is on.

AP blows. Looking at the video i'm uncertain of how underweight the snakes actually were. Without being able to see with my own eyes i certainly don't trust AP and their agents to accurately describe anything to do with herps...

The one ball python looked somewhat thin. Neither of the giants looked underweight, much less "40 lbs" underweight. The albino might have stood a little more weight on it but it was not grossly underweight, and looked awfully dry faced for a URI.

240 lbs of rabbit for FOUR giants?? What are they feeding?? If they even try to feed that much then they are making grossly obese animals.

I personally think they are full of it. The article did mention that he'd had animals dropped off by other people, so he probably has a lot of rescued animals that would come in in lousy shape to begin with.

Animal Planet is practically run by HSUS and PETA now. They constantly present every member of the public as a horrible person who will neglect any pet they own. It's pure garbage!

I don't like AP either, nor the Herp Society. I stopped volunteering there a looong time ago.:colbert:

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Originally Posted by womsterr

AP blows. Looking at the video i'm uncertain of how underweight the snakes actually were. Without being able to see with my own eyes i certainly don't trust AP and their agents to accurately describe anything to do with herps...

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The video I linked shows the snakes. They really don't look too under weight to me, but I don't have experience with burms and retics...

What a croc!! I half expected to see underweight animal, lots of stuck shed. The snakes didn't appear to be in bad shape. But hey that's AP for ya. I have 50+ snakes in a bedroom, some are off feed because of breeding and are a little under weight, guess I'm a hoarder too.

240lbs of rabbits per month for 4 giants, hmmm

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Originally Posted by llovelace

....guess I'm a hoarder too.

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Many on this site would appear to be hoarders to people who don't understand the hobby.

IMO the line between collecting and hoarding is that someone who collects understands the care involved with keeping the animals and has the means to do so while a hoarder keeps the animals in poor conditions and doesn't care for them properly (they may have good intentions but they don't have the knowledge and/or financial means to take care of the animals).

Don't dogs statistically attack, mame, and kill far more people than pet snakes? I'm tired of the media picking and choosing what animals are "good pets" or not based on nothing but stupid uneducated opinions.

well bieng new here I only have one snake atm but I agree I saw some nice looking snakes didnt seem terribly underweight or to have a RI but what do I know I am a Noob but this type of crap from the Media is why I turned off cable a couple years ago.

Robie
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Dogs kill more people in a single year than pythons have killed in the past 30 years. Also, dogs regularly kill people who are not the owner/family, while pythons have never killed a member of the public(i.e. not the owner or family) if I remember the stats correctly.

AP is showing their Animal Rights extremist tones a lot more in the last year or so.

*facepalm*

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I just like that the herp society went in and saved a couple snakes and Im not standing up for the hero society but how many of u have been interviewed then read the story and found some things in the story not true I know it has happened to me it wasn't bad just the reporters or editors needed to add something to make it more interesting (example: 240lbs for 4 snakes, 40lbs under weight, hunting jack rabbits to feed the snakes) all this used to draw ppl in and I just thought it was good that they went in and got those animals out of a potentially horrible situation that's all I'm thankful for I agree I hate the media and AP but atleast some good came out of this stupid tv show right???

Show up on my doorstep and ill show them my pet double-barrel. I hate lies and advertisement and the bad name given to good animals because people want to make money. Dogs and cats have been out of control for how long and nobody seems to care. Just because they are "normal" pets. These people just pissed me off.

Know your limits,.. he realized that he was in over his head (be it with a little persuasion) before it Seriously got out of hand and accepted help. They didn't take all of his animals,.. even though they could have. Just the one's he was willing to give up and needed the most help.

It could've been so much worse,.... I'm glad he got and accepted help in time.

I just saw the other snake hoarder episode, Confessions: Animal Hoarding. This guy had a lot of poisonous snakes and non-poisonous.

Okay, I can see why they were calling THIS guy a snake hoarder. For goodness sake he had terrariums stacked on top of each other, littered all over the floor, and he didn't even know where individual snakes were when they were gathering them up. I can't believe he had proper husbandry for those snakes. The house itself looked filthy and there were cages everywhere.

Just like the other one I saw... this guy is nothing like those of us who keep our animals clean, fed, and healthy in racks.

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Originally Posted by bubblz

Know your limits,.. he realized that he was in over his head (be it with a little persuasion) before it Seriously got out of hand and accepted help. They didn't take all of his animals,.. even though they could have. Just the one's he was willing to give up and needed the most help.

It could've been so much worse,.... I'm glad he got and accepted help in time.

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Yeah, a few snakes were saved, but how many people watched this show and fell for the BS propaganda that was fed to them. How much damage is being done to our hobby by the fear mongering these shows dish out with their false information. I've hated AP ever since "Man Eating Super Snake"

just another ignorant media story of snakes.
The guy had 30 snakes. Thats less than some of us on the forums have.
Are four giants too small for a mobile home? yes
Is a giant a pet for everyone? no

But to say that they make horrible pets and get "meaner" as they age i think is BS.
If properly cared for these snakes are not dangerous. Every media story covered on snakes takes us further and further from our goal of the right education.
AP and the media sicken me.

Just to be an obnoxious grammar nazi...

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When people hoard, they emphasize with these animals and it's hard to give them up.

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Error aside, since when are empathy and reluctance to give up a pet symptomatic of hoarding? Isn't that simply being a good, caring owner?

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Originally Posted by Crazy4Herps

Just to be an obnoxious grammar nazi...

Error aside, since when are empathy and reluctance to give up a pet symptomatic of hoarding? Isn't that simply being a good, caring owner?

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You're reading it backwards.

Having empathy doesn't mean a person is a hoarder. One of the symptoms of hoarding animals is that they empathasize with the animals and don't want to give them up for fear that bad things will happen with the animal somewhere else. If the person hoarding the animals didn't feel anything towards the pets, they wouldn't be so reluctant to allow them to be removed. That's why you see such panic, because in their minds, the pets could be killed or mistreated if they allow the "rescuers" to take them away. They fear the humane society will put them to sleep or adopters will misuse them. As long as the pets are within their own hands(however poor the conditions, which they're often blind to) they feel they KNOW what's happening to the animals.

Hoarders emphasize with the pets.
People who emphasize with pets isn't neccasarily a hoarder.