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Where are the giant ASF's?
Someone wrote here, a while ago, that they were regulary producing 120+ gram ASF's.
My largest non-breeding adults do not go over 70g. The breeding males will get to 70-80g and the females go 80-90g. I have one 7 month old very pregnant female that hit 120g but that is only because she's full of babies.
The adults that I feed are usually in the 60-70g range after several months.
Where can I get some of these monster ASF's that I read about?
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Never heard of them, maybe Mike C will chime in
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Mine are all 60-70 grams tops
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On one of the Threads i posted about them.
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
Max 60 grams!?!?
My adult males weight at least twice that amount. :O
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...included/page2
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Driver
Thanks. So it's Rhasputin and spitzu that have the 100+g monsters. How do I get some of these fast growing fatties?
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Out West is much nicer than here so that might have something to do with it. A 100 gram asf would be nice. Im going to have to weigh my breeders tomorrow
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My adult male cinnamons, and my adult female cinnamons are the largest. 'Mr.Beefcake' was my most monstrous at about 130-140 in his prime. He's a bit smaller now.
My agouti NEVER top 70 grams, don't know why.
My BEW and Platinums also get very large, and they end up generally around 90-100 grams.
This isn't a speedy process mind you, so for the feeder breeder it's pretty useless. :P
If they're gonna get that big, it'll happen when they're about 1 year old, maybe a little less, maybe a little more.
I also feed a very very good diet that i hand mix, so that might be part of what's going on.
But just looking at my numbers, it also has to do with the colonies themselves, and even possibly colours.
Here's a photo of 'Mr.Beefcake' next to a normal sized 60-70 gram ASF. Everything from his feet, to his head, to his entire BODY is just big. :P
http://www.iaza.com/work/110822C/iaza13746212447700.png
EDIT: For reference, this is the 'large' ASF on the ASF size chart, which weighs 52 grams. The female in my photo, is much larger than this rat. And Beefcake could probably cover that whole dollar bill no problem. lol
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ana/6Large.jpg
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
So it was just a BS generalization. :confused:
Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
my retired breeders usually are 100-140 grams,they are fed dye free dog food that has 21% protein and 8% fat.have fun!
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by twh
my retired breeders usually are 100-140 grams,they are fed dye free dog food that has 21% protein and 8% fat.have fun!
I was asking about non-breeders. How old are your breeders when they retire?
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I couldn't tell you who they were, but there was a person who brought a tub of ASFs to the omaha nebraska shows for a couple years straight with gigantic males. Anybody been to it, or know who I'm talking about?
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by JohnNJ
So it was just a BS generalization. :confused:
Thanks for the clarification.
BS? No.
I have lots of male ASFs that reach 100+ grams, and my cinnamon females generally reach 100+ too.
I was surprised that someone said (from that other thread) that ASFs max out at 60-70 grams. Because mine are rarely that small as adults.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
BS? No.
I have lots of male ASFs that reach 100+ grams, and my cinnamon females generally reach 100+ too.
I was surprised that someone said (from that other thread) that ASFs max out at 60-70 grams. Because mine are rarely that small as adults.
I guess it's my fault for assuming what everyone meant by adult. I generally believe they are adults at 12 weeks. I have never had an ASF make it to one year old. I can't imagine having any older than a year.
And just a sidenote - my males never get larger than my females, especially the breeders. But then again, none have made it to old age.
Thanks for the feedback. I feel better knowing that my stock is average size.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
I just weighed a 1.1 colony and the male is 76 grams and the female who's litter are almost weaned is 67. All of mine have wheels and seem to use them all day so they can't be all that fat ;)
100 gram must be a monster!
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Anatopism
I couldn't tell you who they were, but there was a person who brought a tub of ASFs to the omaha nebraska shows for a couple years straight with gigantic males. Anybody been to it, or know who I'm talking about?
Was it the guy that bred the white ASF? Because I'm almost positive he got rid of all his stock... Liz from omahapied is the only omaha-ian that I know of that has any ASF now, but I think there are a couple others that do it small scale.
And then becky and I have some here in Lincoln. I don't know of many others.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by JohnNJ
I guess it's my fault for assuming what everyone meant by adult. I generally believe they are adults at 12 weeks. I have never had an ASF make it to one year old. I can't imagine having any older than a year.
And just a sidenote - my males never get larger than my females, especially the breeders. But then again, none have made it to old age.
Thanks for the feedback. I feel better knowing that my stock is average size.
Ah, I see. :)
Yeah at 12 weeks they're nowhere near monsters. Like I said they'll usually blow up about 8-12 months into their lives.
I've got some here that are approaching the 4 year mark. Age doesn't seem to have to do with it other than that one growth spurt they get between 8-12 months. :P
When I responded to whomever said they maxed at 70, I was just saying no, they don't! :P
But yes, it's an average size for the age group you are working with! :gj:
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
BS? No.
I have lots of male ASFs that reach 100+ grams, and my cinnamon females generally reach 100+ too.
Same here.
They'll get that big if you let them grow up long enough. I've also had girls that weren't bred stay around 70-ish grams though. I believe breeders get bigger than non breeders. Usually I feed them off (or freeze them) around 60-70g. And I've had old breeders get to 130-ish grams.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
Speaking of keeping them around long enough, I'm guessing your stock doesn't develop those tumors at around nine months. I have seen a couple of the old females get them but I typically don't let them get that old.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by JohnNJ
Speaking of keeping them around long enough, I'm guessing your stock doesn't develop those tumors at around nine months. I have seen a couple of the old females get them but I typically don't let them get that old.
Some do, some don't. I can't recall any big males getting them but the breeder females usually do to some extent. If its bad they get culled.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by JohnNJ
Speaking of keeping them around long enough, I'm guessing your stock doesn't develop those tumors at around nine months. I have seen a couple of the old females get them but I typically don't let them get that old.
I've only had 2 with the papilomavirus. One male, and one female. :)
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Hmm... Now that you mention the giant ASF thing, my one female is probably 1.5 to 2 times the size of the other two, and they're all the same age and were raised together. I really need to get a scale to weigh her...
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What is the max size for ASF's? Don't know. I can tell you that I have a whole bunch of them. I just went in my racks and found the very biggest, very fattest (about to have a bunch of babies) asf I could find. She is just about to be retired. Here are the results.
Keep in mind, I am using a properly calibrated, high dollar digital scale.
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2000.jpg
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...o/IMG_2001.jpg
By the way....
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
EDIT: For reference, this is the 'large' ASF on the ASF size chart, which weighs 52 grams. The female in my photo, is much larger than this rat. And Beefcake could probably cover that whole dollar bill no problem. lol
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ana/6Large.jpg
The size chart refered to is one that I posted for when I was selling frozen feeder rats. 50+ grams is considered a large ASF for snake food purposes. In my experience, x breeders max out around 95 to 105 grams... Another thing to consider, as a snake breeder I don't keep rats till they are a year old. As soon as they have passed their peak production period, they are gone.
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Mike I wasn't jocking on your photo, just using it for size reference. :)
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Here is the original post for those that missed it... Be sure to pay attention to the opening paragraph where I talk about breeders and x breeders.
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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
Mike I wasn't jocking on your photo, just using it for size reference. :)
I know... Just clarifying.
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Yeah I think the misunderstanding that started this whole thread, was that people thought 120 was being achieved on a feeder scale, at feeder ages.
But no, it would be nearly impossible, and pretty useless to do that for large scale feeder operations since it takes a looong time to get that big.
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Re: Where are the giant ASF's?
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Originally Posted by Rhasputin
Yeah I think the misunderstanding that started this whole thread, was that people thought 120 was being achieved on a feeder scale, at feeder ages.
But no, it would be nearly impossible, and pretty useless to do that for large scale feeder operations since it takes a looong time to get that big.
^^This^^
*Most* of my retired breeders are all over 120 grams. My feeders however are NOT near this size.
I don't think anyone has 120g feeders that are just a couple months old and if they do, they need to start spreading that gene around to the rest of us. ;)
Here is are what I get from retired breeders. This is a male and the cup was zeroed to the scale before putting the male in, so the cups weight is not reflected.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...z/_MG_7718.jpg
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