When you see the spider/bee wobble how do you feel & what do you do to cope with it.

Yes I know they are normal, and I love the spider morph and i recently (Today) just received my bee. He is one of the best morphs out there really, just a hunk of a bee :-)

He does have a wobble and I noticed something common between my old spider and this new bee is they are really more restless moving around more compared to the hatchling normal and pastel when they arrived. Well I know he is still adjusting so I shouldn't expect him to settle down right away.

Then of course I saw the wobble, which was from stress of the trip.

I can't help but feel sad though when I see them wobble.. It's just human nature I guess that leads me to feel this way.

What do you do to cope up with this feeling when you see yours wobble?

I laugh at them a bit sometimes, because they're a little uncoordinated and goofy. It doesn't appear to bother them, so why should it bother us?

If they were bothered, they would show signs of stress, such as poor appetite, failure to breed, etc. They show no signs of stress at all--they tend to be good eaters and good breeders.

I think perhaps it reminds some people of tragic disabilities such as MS and Parkinson's disease, and that's why they feel uncomfortable about it. But it isn't a real disability for a snake that will live its life as a pet.

Very good way at looking at situation :) as long as they eat, sleep, breed regularly they are ok. Thanks! :)

I know its a minor problem that is part of that morph, but to me its just not my cup of tea. The one thing I do like about spiders and combos are the colors which are phenomenal. The closest I have come to keeping a spider is a woma which luckily has not shown any wobbles at all. My wife does want a few for pets, and yes I will most likely be getting them for her, but she feels the same about not breeding them.

whats a wobble?

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Originally Posted by blueberrypancakes

whats a wobble?

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The wobble is a trait of the spider morph. Some people view it as a defect, some call it a quirk. Some wobble more than others and the wobble can manifest in various degrees from almost unnoticeable to what looks like out of control spinning. Do a youtube search for spider wobble and you will find videos of it.

I have been thinking a lot about expanding my collection and picking up some bp morphs to possibly start a breeding project recently. I've always been of the opinion that I don't want to add a spider to my collection specifically because of the wobble, but with the combos they make and the fact that the wobbles don't seem to bother the snake at all, I am starting to consider them...

I haven't seen my spider wobble yet. Hopefully he wont develop a wobble as he gets older. He's still very young.

Womas also wobble, though not as severely as spiders. If you ever move, or your Woma experiences unusual stress, he could start doing it, too.
Not all individual animals will show signs, but any spider or woma morph can, at any point in their life.

I don't know whether the hidden gene woma/type 2 woma wobbles, but because the Pearl has a severe and debilitating wobble, I'll bet that they do, too.

Something about that crazy pattern all these morphs share must affect a gene that is involved with the nervous system or inner ear.

I hear that Woma has proven dominant. I'd be curious as to whether the super-woma has a significant wobble.

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Originally Posted by muzikfreakah

...as long as they eat, sleep, breed regularly they are ok...

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See they aren't that different from us :)

Mike

Super womas (pearls)are not viable so they do not survive.

I personally don't have a problem with spider wobble mine feed like champs just sometimes miss and shake when about to strike prey. They look healthy and behave healthy.

Mine hasn't showed signs of a wobble yet. As long as she eats, sleeps and you know a wobble won't bother me.

Hey, my normal BP wobbles a little before striking. Usually it takes him one try except for, I think it was the feed before last, it took him a few trys but I found out he was shedding 2 days later and that was why. But does that mean he has some spider/bee in him? He is only 5months old and I'm ot sure of his origins because I got him from petsmart.

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Hey, my normal BP wobbles a little before striking. Usually it takes him one try except for, I think it was the feed before last, it took him a few trys but I found out he was shedding 2 days later and that was why. But does that mean he has some spider/bee in him? He is only 5months old and I'm ot sure of his origins because I got him from petsmart.

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No, a spider is a co-dom morph. Either it's a spider or it isn't. There is no het form. If you bought from Petsmart you got yourself a CH normal. I've never seen anything but normals at Petsmart... And if they DID have anything other than a normal, it would be priced WAY higher...

I was a little creeped out by the spider wobble at first, but every spider we've had have been the best feeders, most active and had the most personality out of all of our balls. I've learned to look past the wobble and enjoy them for the magnificent creatures they are.

doesnt bother me as long as they can eat with no problem. my killerbee has a real noticeable wobble which at first i thought was going to be a problem but she is happily sitting at 700 grams and eats like a champ with no problem. My bumblebees wobble you barely saw which was nice and the bumblebee mojave i have doesn't appear to wobble at all

What do you feed your wobbly spiders then? f/T or pre-killed? This seems to be more practical if sometimes they miss their strikes right? Live would be riskier for them?

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I love the wobble as long as it's not too bad. My bee looks like he's drunk sometimes. And I thought the spider was a dom, not a co-dom?

I can deal with wobble, but it makes me nervous.

The very first reptile show I ever went to, I purchased a male and female spider ball python, among 14 other snakes. The male is perfect and super healthy, and we have yet to notice any wobble in him. The female is a different story.

When I picked her out, I took her out of the display case and examined her closely. She was perfect and beautiful. However, somewhere amid the confusion, rustle and bustle of the show, the seller switched out the snake I picked out for a sick, dehydrated spider. I didn't notice at all until I got home. The snake had the worst wobble I had ever seen in my life, and died about a week later.

If I am picking out a spider, I will refuse to buy anything with severe wobble. It's just not worth it. Needless to say, I'm more careful at shows now, too :(

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And I thought the spider was a dom, not a co-dom?

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I think you might be right about that one. I'm still learning the genetics stuff and get some mixed up sometimes. My bad...

I'm suprised that people aren't more worried about the wobbling, kinking and other issues we are seeing in snakes and continue to breed these animals anyways? I'm not a snake breeder but I do/have bred dogs and horses. I specifically choose German Sheperds with papers stating they have good lines/confirmation/personality, these animals are papered against things like hip dysplacia. To me a wobble is nothing more then a line bred defect and shouldn't be kept in a breeding group.

If your dog wobbled and shaked and fell down would you choose it as a prime breeder because it had a flashy coat? Maybe I am missing something and someone can shed some light on this situation but it seems like people are purposely ignoring a problem for their own benefit.

I have 3 Spiders in my Collection & 2 hatchlings. The wobble is simply a part of what a Spider is. It`s a part of them and it`s kind of endearing. My male has the most pronounced wobble of the 3 adults. But, It`s only really noticeable when he is "hunting". He is an awesome eater and an awesome breeder. He throws female heavy clutches and makes baby Spiders that are (IMO) some of the best I`ve seen. So, When he launches himself out of his tub (mouth open and heading straight for me) and completely misses the rat I`m holding in tongs for him, I chuckle at him and love him even more. To answer the question about what to feed to a Spider (F/T or Live) He has eaten both and his strikes are more accurate with live prey.

The ethics debating on breeding spiders/bees etc is a relatively old topic as far as designer snakes go. I think the reason people "ignore" the problem is 1) it is rarely fatal and 2) selective breeding has created really weird/horrifying genetic abnormalities that make wobble look very mild.

IMO, I believe people should be allowed to breed whatever they want as long as they understand the repercussions. Don't like the thought of people breeding animals that are potentially pretty badly handicapped? Don't buy or breed them. At the same time, people who have no problem with spiders shouldn't flaunt it in other's faces or try to argue their case to those who oppose it. Everyone has opinions and is completely entitled to them, but should be respectful of others.

I guess we all have a little God syndrome in us as breeders however it would be nice if some more moral, humane choices could be made for the animal or the animal blood lines than money signs and check books making the choices for us. But this isn't a problem with just snake breeders it's a problem will all animal keepers.

Why would someone who breds a spider not be 'moral?' I own a spider and i intend on breeding him, he swerves alot of times but never is NOT happy. He always eats with vigor (4 and never even in breeding season off feed) he drinks, etc. He is my favorite snake to take places and when he is held his swerving usually stops. This does not make me 'unethical'