Is there a price list out there for ball pythons that correct?

Im looking for a ball python price list that has correct prices for morphs.any breeders have a price list they can send me.constrictors unlimited has one but not sure how right it is.i been trying to figure out how to price bp's but dont understand how.especialy when pricing hets.can someone help me?

The is no set price list in the industry, price varies based on the animal size, sex, grade but also seller.

There is no set price for BP morphs. Breeders charge how much they feel they are worth.

You can check out Kingsnake's Ball Python Classified section to get a rough idea of what different morphs are going for but none of the prices there are definitive.

Something to remember too is cheaper tends to not be better in the BP industry. You get what you pay for. High quality animals tend to be more expensive.

A few things to think about before throwing down cash on ball python morphs, with the intention of breeding:

- There are no set prices.
- Prices can change daily, usually downward for any particular morph.
- No two snakes of the same morph are equal.
- There are such things as $25 pastels and $300 pastels.
- In general, you get what you pay for.
- The offspring from a pair of $300 pastels are going to be prettier and easier to sell than the offspring from a pair of $25 pastels. Ask yourself if you want breeders that will produce offspring that are so ugly, they won't sell (easily, or for much $).

Now I CAN give you a couple tips on shopping and understanding prices.

The first places to look are kingsnake.com and faunaclassifieds.com
These are classified boards, where anyone can place advertisements for their animals. This creates a large supply all in one spot, so the effects of supply and demand on pricing can more readily affect buyers and sellers. Pay attention to snakes that have sold already, if a price is still given.

If you look around enough, spend enough time on herpetoculture forums, and are active in the hobby, you'll eventually develop an 'eye' for identifying particular morphs and for 'pretty' vs 'ugly' versions of any given morph. You'll also get an idea of the snake market over time.

In general, I rarely see a snake that makes me think "woah, that's priced weird", at either above or below what I'd imagine it to sell for these days. If they seem unbelievably too cheap, it's quite possibly a scammer. If the price seems too high, then the seller obviously values the snake more than you do, or you may not quite understand yet just how fine of an example the snake might be.

I hope that helps.

It is one of those "to each his own" thing:gj:
You can get higher quality snakes for a cheaper price from "un-known" breeders too. The little guys trying to make a foot print in this huge industry.

You will come to find what catches your eye and what you are willing to pay to get the ones you want.

all thats been mentioned i understand.i also understand that lots of big breeders and semi big breeders look down on the little guy trying to get his foot in the door by selling grade a snakes for cheep.let say i bred my female pastel to my male cinnomon and hatched out some pewters that were perfect examples of pewters and sold them for let say for $350 for males and $400 for females.they eat great and are 100% healthy at a show or any place.why is it that those guys get pissed off.if they feel the snakes are worth more then thats there problem not mine.if i sold mine to good homes and wanted to make money insted of holding on to stock and make it harder to sell because price goes up when weight does whitch i understand the whole reason behind that but what does it realy matter on the cheaper guys price.why hate?

if im hatching 200+eggs and have nice snakes or better looking ones then the next guy and sold them for cheaper i dont get it why its a problem.

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

all thats been mentioned i understand.i also understand that lots of big breeders and semi big breeders look down on the little guy trying to get his foot in the door by selling grade a snakes for cheep.let say i bred my female pastel to my male cinnomon and hatched out some pewters that were perfect examples of pewters and sold them for let say for $350 for males and $400 for females.they eat great and are 100% healthy at a show or any place.why is it that those guys get pissed off.if they feel the snakes are worth more then thats there problem not mine.if i sold mine to good homes and wanted to make money insted of holding on to stock and make it harder to sell because price goes up when weight does whitch i understand the whole reason behind that but what does it realy matter on the cheaper guys price.why hate?

if im hatching 200+eggs and have nice snakes or better looking ones then the next guy and sold them for cheaper i dont get it why its a problem.

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I think you will find in general when you sell animals at a price that is very low by current market averages some people will be upset because they see these “lowball” prices as something that helps to drive down the price of whatever morph. And many people have invested substantial funds into projects that as the price of these morphs continue to fall will never have the returns they anticipated getting. And I can certainly see why they would be upset by that. I on the other hand see another side of the coin. The more affordable these animals become the more appeal they will have to a larger audience. Yes like any rare sparkly pretty thing $20000 ball pythons have a line up of people that want them. Trouble is, how many of them have 20k at all let alone that kind of money they are willing to lay down on 1 snake. I know I don’t. At the end of the day those animals you produce are yours and you can sell them for whatever you want. So figure out what you think they’re worth and then set your price. At the end of the day everybody else’s opinion is just that; an opinion.

If you're going to sell a snake at a lowball price, you better do it with someone you know locally as a local deal or a completely private sale, because you will make a lot of big breeders angry. You can do it, but don't advertise it. As mentioned, these breeders paid a lot and have worked really hard and are not only trying to enjoy the hobby, but are trying to either break even or make a living off of doing this so that they can provide for their family with this as their full time job.

I think you would be pretty upset if you worked at a store and then another store opened up across the street that sold the same merch for 1/2 of the price and no one went to your store anymore and it had to shut down and you lose your job because they can't afford to keep it open anymore. See what I'm trying to say?

So like I said, if you want to sell cheap for fast sale go ahead, but do it in private with people you trust and let them know that you would appreciate this not being advertised either. IF they posted on fauna BOI saying oh get your cheap quality snakes here, this would still have a negative effect.

But again.. I guess this is just MY opinion.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

I think you would be pretty upset if you worked at a store and then another store opened up across the street that sold the same merch for 1/2 of the price and no one went to your store anymore and it had to shut down and you lose your job because they can't afford to keep it open anymore. See what I'm trying to say?

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Could call it Snake-Mart OR Wally-Snake but you would have to import everything from China :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Could call it Snake-Mart OR Wally-Snake but you would have to import everything from China :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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I ALMOST went there. But decided not to. LOL

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

I ALMOST went there. But decided not to. LOL

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well I will:D

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

If you're going to sell a snake at a lowball price, you better do it with someone you know locally as a local deal or a completely private sale, because you will make a lot of big breeders angry. You can do it, but don't advertise it. As mentioned, these breeders paid a lot and have worked really hard and are not only trying to enjoy the hobby, but are trying to either break even or make a living off of doing this so that they can provide for their family with this as their full time job.

I think you would be pretty upset if you worked at a store and then another store opened up across the street that sold the same merch for 1/2 of the price and no one went to your store anymore and it had to shut down and you lose your job because they can't afford to keep it open anymore. See what I'm trying to say?

So like I said, if you want to sell cheap for fast sale go ahead, but do it in private with people you trust and let them know that you would appreciate this not being advertised either. IF they posted on fauna BOI saying oh get your cheap quality snakes here, this would still have a negative effect.

But again.. I guess this is just MY opinion.

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I see what your saying but thats the world today in any buisness.look at wallmart and kmart.wallmart is cheaper and has more to offer vs kmart high priced and less to offer.even tho they both have same items.if the price is low the more you make vs the high price the less you sell.its called copitition.to bad they cant neuter snakes huh.small breeders have bills and family to feed too so at the end it boils down to the best looking and better price.breeders have to move snakes for room,bills,or what ever reason so at one point that snake they feel is worth alot to them they will eventualy lower the price to move it.greed only gets you left behind but a fair reasonable price will sell.like you said its a opinion.

Why do you think Kmart is going out of business? Think of all the jobs being lost?
That's why a lot of people hate walmart.
I actually love it :D But it is different when it comes to things like snakes imo.

To argue your point about small breeders, you CAN sell your snakes for $50 under market value and sell them easily or you can do a private sale way below market price. Just show some respect to those that have put their whole lives into this.

And just so you know, I have a LOT of small breeder friends, and they do NOT have issues moving snakes at or very slightly below market value price.

I have no idea why you wouldn't WANT to get more out of your snake if you could.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Why do you think Kmart is going out of business? Think of all the jobs being lost?
That's why a lot of people hate walmart.
I actually love it :D But it is different when it comes to things like snakes imo.

To argue your point about small breeders, you CAN sell your snakes for $50 under market value and sell them easily or you can do a private sale way below market price. Just show some respect to those that have put their whole lives into this.

And just so you know, I have a LOT of small breeder friends, and they do NOT have issues moving snakes at or very slightly below market value price.

I have no idea why you wouldn't WANT to get more out of your snake if you could.

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i would sell my snakes for the avrage price that its going for maybe even 50 under but i wouldnt give them away.over where im at there are so many breeders so they end up going for much less.i picked up a 6oog female albino for 250.i picked up a breeder size pastel femal and a breeder size blond pastel for 100 each.to another breeder thats way cheap and they would be pissed but if that guy needed money to me i helped him feed his family or helped him pay some bills.i got all mine for way less then what they shouldve sold for.the economy isnt all that great right now so you have to do what you have to do to live and bring in money.people loose jobs every day and sad to say but thats life i cant worry about the next person i have to worry about me and my family well being so if i had to seel low so i can feed my family and keep bills paid you have to to do what it takes.it the life and world we live in. at the end of the day its a sale and a roof and meal on the table.what i noticed is that the bigger breeders some not all just want money.they dont care to help you on your breeding projects while smaller guys are more then glad to help you and are happy and eager to share knolage and a hand with your projects.my point is at the end of it all its a buisnes and run it the way it works for you. if you make money and not just breaking even then you must be doing something right vs the big guy still holding snakes for 3yrs and now asking for more then they asked for when they were babbies.move em fast make money have fun and live life.enjoy it..

I mean honestly you can't lay down a price on a BP because, a pastel male jus 75$ at a couple of grams, but once he's ready to breed that pastel can go for a couple hundred, soo age also affects the price, don't forget that females do get bigger and will always cost more, and even though there's hundreds of morphs, not every single thing possible has been made yet, that means that prices go down, for exmp a bumble used to be ridiculously high but now its just 500-600$ I hope this helps

Comb over the most popular classifieds sites, add up the prices for the morph you're interested in, knock off the highest and lowest on the list, and then average the remainders. There's your average price for the season. It sometimes goes down a little over the course of the season, and sometimes holds even--very rarely, it may go up slightly. This is likely to happen for females, or males of extremely high-end new morphs.

The industry is currently too disorganized to provide ranges or lists for people each season.

While it is true that often, you get what you pay for, it's not ALWAYS true. Here's what to watch out for:

Is the seller a really big name? Expect to pay more, regardless of the morph or quality, if you buy from them. You can get some of the best quality animals from these guys, but you could also pay too much for a lower-quality animal. (This isn't true of all the big breeders, but it is true of many--and they have no problem selling out each year).

Is the seller a reseller/retailer or flipper? They often charge more than a breeder would, for the same quality.

Is the seller brand new to the market, and trying to establish a reputation? You may be able to get your hands on some animals from a GREAT lineage, for a low price, by buying from them--but BE CAREFUL.

A price that's too low is also the hallmark of a scammer, or of someone new who got in over their head financially and is struggling to keep their animals properly. You don't necessarily want to buy from them, because their animals may not be healthy or in good condition.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, while there's no evidence that the amount of white in a pied is something heritable, high white pieds sell for more than low white pieds. For some reason, more people desire high white pieds than low white, which has driven up the price. If you want a low white pied because you like them better, or you're just looking for a quality stud for your collection and aren't worried about how much white the animal has, you'll get a better deal, and produce the same offspring as someone breeding a high white animal.

A very black cinnamon is something desired by some breeders, while others are breeding for a lighter, richer color in cinnamons, and leaving the black to the black pastels.

Some pastel jungle breeders want a bright neon yellow snake with bold black markings (lemon), while others want a rich yellow snake with TONS of blushing (Graziani style). Both extremes will sell high, but beware people selling pastels as 'lemon' or 'Graziani', when they're actually the offspring of low-end lemon pastel and a normal...and look like any other pastel that wasn't selectively bred for color. You could wind up paying too much for a 'lemon pastel' that came from lemon pastel lines, but isn't a lemon pastel.

Decide what appearance you're looking for, as well as the morph, because the price may vary depending on such details.

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

i would sell my snakes for the avrage price that its going for maybe even 50 under but i wouldnt give them away.over where im at there are so many breeders so they end up going for much less.i picked up a 6oog female albino for 250.i picked up a breeder size pastel femal and a breeder size blond pastel for 100 each.to another breeder thats way cheap and they would be pissed but if that guy needed money to me i helped him feed his family or helped him pay some bills.i got all mine for way less then what they shouldve sold for.the economy isnt all that great right now so you have to do what you have to do to live and bring in money.people loose jobs every day and sad to say but thats life i cant worry about the next person i have to worry about me and my family well being so if i had to seel low so i can feed my family and keep bills paid you have to to do what it takes.it the life and world we live in. at the end of the day its a sale and a roof and meal on the table.what i noticed is that the bigger breeders some not all just want money.they dont care to help you on your breeding projects while smaller guys are more then glad to help you and are happy and eager to share knolage and a hand with your projects.my point is at the end of it all its a buisnes and run it the way it works for you. if you make money and not just breaking even then you must be doing something right vs the big guy still holding snakes for 3yrs and now asking for more then they asked for when they were babbies.move em fast make money have fun and live life.enjoy it..

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All I'm saying is that there really is no reason to lowball price a snake unless you want to move it fast to make a buck, and there is nothing wrong doing that but it would be respectable to do it privately.
The snake that was sold for a low price you mentioned probably wasn't advertised on kingsnake or the forums. Craigslist postings shouldn't affect market prices.

And if you are trying to sell a snake to feed your family, well that is no different than a big breeder trying to sell a snake to make money. You both have the same objective. And there is NOTHING wrong with either thing, if you enjoy what you are doing and the snakes are healthy.

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Originally Posted by JayyPastel24

I mean honestly you can't lay down a price on a BP because, a pastel male jus 75$ at a couple of grams, but once he's ready to breed that pastel can go for a couple hundred, soo age also affects the price, don't forget that females do get bigger and will always cost more, and even though there's hundreds of morphs, not every single thing possible has been made yet, that means that prices go down, for exmp a bumble used to be ridiculously high but now its just 500-600$ I hope this helps

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i still dont get it.lol.call me stupid but lets say i can produce visual pieds and have a clutch of 6-8 hatch all pieds now they are priced from 900-1500 depending on how much white.now if thats all im producing 200+ every yr of that one morph why couldnt me or anyone else sell them for lets say 600-1200 ill still make money plus i have a bunch of other morphs laying eggs. if your making them then your a wholeseller so why mark it up as if your a retailer.the way i see it if i sold a snake for cheap i made money and i left room for the next person to make money to so there for im giving jobs instead of taking away.

Lol if you get what you pay for then Cid, my butter male, must be super horrible quality! A buddy of mine who breeds BPs gave him to me.:O:P

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

All I'm saying is that there really is no reason to lowball price a snake unless you want to move it fast to make a buck, and there is nothing wrong doing that but it would be respectable to do it privately.
The snake that was sold for a low price you mentioned probably wasn't advertised on kingsnake or the forums. Craigslist postings shouldn't affect market prices.

And if you are trying to sell a snake to feed your family, well that is no different than a big breeder trying to sell a snake to make money. You both have the same objective. And there is NOTHING wrong with either thing, if you enjoy what you are doing and the snakes are healthy.

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my point exactly.everyone still eats.

I do want to say some things I haven't really seen mentioned before:

1) Buyers need to be more flexible. Just because SnakeMan-A is selling a morph for $X, doesn't mean SnakeMan-B will match his price for you, and you shouldn't expect him to. People try to wheel and deal on snakes like they are used cars, and it gets ridiculous sometimes. The lowest price you see out there is not the price you should expect to pay.

2) Sellers need to get over their phobia of raising prices. Sometimes, a morph will become more popular than expected, or less will be produced than anticipated, and it will sell out--you won't be able to find them on the market commonly. When that happens, the price SHOULD go up, because demand is high enough to support a higher price tag. You can see this at work in the incredible divide between male prices and female prices. Honestly, female yellowbellies are TERRIFICALLY undervalued on the market. You can rarely find them, but when you do, they're priced at a mere 200 or 300. Everyone wants them, so why are they so low? It's not as though people won't pay more for them--they certainly would. With everyone pricing them low, their expectations are set by seeing 'what's most common'. If breeders priced them according to demand and supply, buyers would adjust their expectations, and the price would go up.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

I do want to say some things I haven't really seen mentioned before:

1) Buyers need to be more flexible. Just because SnakeMan-A is selling a morph for $X, doesn't mean SnakeMan-B will match his price for you, and you shouldn't expect him to. People try to wheel and deal on snakes like they are used cars, and it gets ridiculous sometimes. The lowest price you see out there is not the price you should expect to pay.

2) Sellers need to get over their phobia of raising prices. Sometimes, a morph will become more popular than expected, or less will be produced than anticipated, and it will sell out--you won't be able to find them on the market commonly. When that happens, the price SHOULD go up, because demand is high enough to support a higher price tag. You can see this at work in the incredible divide between male prices and female prices. Honestly, female yellowbellies are TERRIFICALLY undervalued on the market. You can rarely find them, but when you do, they're priced at a mere 200 or 300. Everyone wants them, so why are they so low? It's not as though people won't pay more for them--they certainly would. With everyone pricing them low, their expectations are set by seeing 'what's most common'. If breeders priced them according to demand and supply, buyers would adjust their expectations, and the price would go up.

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that is true.but you also have to flow with the economy too.anyway it goes you have to save save save or wait for the better deal .but i agree with what your saying just have to hold out from selling gold at the pawn shop price unless you have to eat.its hit or miss.

I'm sorry but if you need to sell snakes to put food on the table you are probably in the wrong business. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that this hobby can be expensive is all. If you want to make money off of it, you probably will, but why not sell closer to market price and get a little extra to put back into the snakes too?

Taking your example, if you have a lovely pied snake and market price is for example $1000. If you sell that snake for $900, you will sell it fast and make a little more than if you would sell it for $600. Why not make the extra money? I guarantee you will make more and get a better reputation this way and have more future sales. Why? Because you are not devaluing your snakes, or trying to sell them off to just make money.

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

i still dont get it.lol.call me stupid but lets say i can produce visual pieds and have a clutch of 6-8 hatch all pieds now they are priced from 900-1500 depending on how much white.now if thats all im producing 200+ every yr of that one morph why couldnt me or anyone else sell them for lets say 600-1200 ill still make money plus i have a bunch of other morphs laying eggs. if your making them then your a wholeseller so why mark it up as if your a retailer.the way i see it if i sold a snake for cheap i made money and i left room for the next person to make money to so there for im giving jobs instead of taking away.

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If you want to sell a visual Piebald for $600 privately go for it. But if you post it for sale on Kingsnake or another major BP classified for $600 you are not going to have many other breeders as friends, because you are hurting them. And in this industry networking and having friends definitely helps.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

I'm sorry but if you need to sell snakes to put food on the table you are probably in the wrong business. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that this hobby can be expensive is all. If you want to make money off of it, you probably will, but why not sell closer to market price and get a little extra to put back into the snakes too?

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lol let me make this clear im not talking about me im talking in general.trust me ill price them at what i see them price i have snakes,kids,and disney world too go too,lol im just saying why not and if those were the isue for others out there.i think thi if i sold a snake for half of its worth and sold many vs selling at market price and sold less i would make more ,sell faster at low price vs high price. but im a expencive guy with expencive taste so market price is where im at.just figured i clear it up.my snakes live and eat better then my kids.so my wife says sometimes.lol

Unfortunately you will not make more money selling at lower prices. This is because you will easily sell many just slightly below market price and you will get a bad rep selling at extreme low prices.

If you do low low prices privately, you will have a small market.

You need demand to make money. In that kind of situation you will have a surplus, even though your prices will be lower.

Situations where I can see it being acceptable to sell BP morph under market value:

1. Private sale between you and a friend, family member or preferred customer.
2. You need quick cash due to a family / financial emergency and you are selling off your BP stock and getting out of the business.
3. You want to sell your entire season's worth of hatchlings in a complete group at a wholesale price.

Situations where I see it being UN-acceptable to sell BP morph under market value:
1. A public listing on Kingsnake or another major BP classified.
2. To make some quick cash while having no intention of getting out of the business (unless it's a private/unlisted sale.)

Plus when you finally get to the point of needing to "TRADE" with some of the big boys, they will not be there to help or back you;)

I can see both sides of the point here. I know it took me 2-3 summers to save up to get my het pieds ( 4 or so years ago) and now I can buythe visible pied for what I paid for the snakes and have money left over. I al almso one that has to support his love and hobby with doing odd jobs when I am able.

It taken me the last 4 years or so to acquire other base morphs due to this mainly trading a visible ( pied) to get the others cause not been able to afford to buy snakes( or trade snakes I gotten via craigslist then return them to a healthier state than I got them ( most the time they in my care for 2 years.) My snakes make out better than me most the time. I never try to low ball snakes will see if i can work someone down a little.

I am lucky to get to a snake show once a year, and then I got maybe like 700 bucks ( that counting the tolls,fuel and everythign so I never got much dang it lol) Sadly it looking like this year will be a no go for going ,and I will end up sitting on my 1st 100% het clutch (left overs as the visible morphs went to the girlfriend )