Kingpin X Lemon Pastel clutch

Hi,

My clutch of 5 eggs from a Kingpin X Lemon Pastel just hatched. I got 2 normals, 1 pastel, and 2 lessers (I think). Do you think they are lessers or lesser pastels? I can't find any decent comparison pics. What do you think? Does anyone know any distinguishing features between the lessers and lesser pastels?

Thanks!!

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Wow they are beautiful! That one is extra extra light. I'm terrible at picking out lesser pastels, so someone else will have to chime in. I know some people wait for a shed or two to decide for sure whether or not they are lesser pastels.

I agree, wait a couple sheds, but my gut feeling is telling me the one on the left is lesser pastel, and the one on the right is a regular lesser.

The one on the left is just overall way more yellow.

Hi, congrats on the nice clutch... :gj: from those pics I would say there are very nice looking lesser's... Pastel lesser's tend to have lighter heads... Here is a clutch I hatched out with some pastel butters to give you an idea(they are in upper left corner and bottom of the pic) hope this helps... but like others said should be able to tell better once they shed..

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...s/CIMG2587.jpg

Wouldn't all the pastel lessers have green eyes? I have never seen one in person, but I'd think so.

Well you said you bred a Kingpin to a lemon pastel, and theirs no lesser going in that pair up, to me they look like butters, because I kingpin is Pinstripe x butter, see if its that, either way you bred some niceee looking snakess :gj:

Those are both nice lessers. Pastel lessers have really light silver heads. Here is a pic of a pastel lesser (on the right) and lesser that hatched a couple weeks ago. http://tapatalk.com/mu/47eda83d-e8fc-0fa7.jpg

For some reason the pic uploaded sideways. The pastel lesser is on the bottom.

JayyPastel24 - My kingpin is a lesser/pinstripe. From my understanding, a kingpin can be made by a butter/pinstripe or a lesser/pinstripe.

wRobio - Thanks for the GREAT comparison shot! That makes it very clear. Your pastel lesser almost looks like a super pastel, very cool!

Man, I got 0 double combos from a three gene pairing =(. And the ENTIRE clutch is male!! There's always next year...

that pastel is vibrant! :cool:

Do you have any more pics?

Congrats on the clutch and those are some nice lessers:gj:

Nice lessers! I think the one on the right might be a pastel lesser. It is easier to tell after they shed. Here's my clutch from last year. 2 lessers on the bottom and 3 pastel lessers on the top. Photo color is poor, but you can see the differences. This was pre-shed too.

Congrats!

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jsschrei - do you have pics when they were a bit older? They all look the same to me from your pic. The comparison pic from wRobio looks very distinct.

BigJ - That's the nicest pastel I've ever produced, and I've hatched a ton of pastels! I was really happy with that one, just wish it was a female. I'll post some more pics of that one in a few.

The head is the dead giveaway. It needs to be very light silvery grey with black borders along the eye stripes. I thought the lesser I posted was a pastel lesser until I saw her head.