super spider ball python?

I was looking on the internet and found a forum with a thread from UKmorphs i believe it was bred an albino spider x spider and got a very silver and reduced patter spider. Is it even possible to produce a super spider? has anyone else every try to make one? I was just curious because no one ever talks about it.

Ahhhh yes the mythical "super spider". As to this moment that I am aware of there has been no super form produced of the spider.


Check out what's new on my website... www.Homegrownscales.com

I highly doubt there is a super form of spider

i think nerd has a youtube video about fatal combos.. i would check that out. my understanding was that breeding spider to spider can/will result in birth defects. but i havent tried the pairing myself. :colbert:

haha out of everytime I have seen 2 bumblebees bred together with only a killer bee as a super also have seen 2 spider het albino together and still no super spider so yes im sure there is not a super form thats why its been labeled as a dominant morph

I think spider to spider is fine. I think it's woma to spider and woma to woma that results in fatal birth defects.

my understanding is a two gene homozygous spider is visually identical to a single gene spyder. One would only know by pairing with a normal. If homozygous it would result in 100% spider offspring. Because a single gene het spyder is visually identical to a 2 gene homozygous spider not many are produced...most are single gene het spiders. I have not proven this out but this is my understanding. Open to corrections if there are any...

http://www.owalreptiles.com/articles/spider.php

Supposedly the super spider looks no different from a regular spider but will never produce normals no matter how many different females it's put to. Just like a super pastel. Of course, there are people out there who have spiders who have not produced normals but it takes multiple breedings to prove this and even then, you still can't prove if it's because it is a super spider.

The commonly held belief is that the fabled "super spider" is doomed to die in the egg, because it is widely held that it is a lethal gene combination.

While many people cross spider to spider, or have in the past, and many more cross multi gene animals that contain spider, it seems odd that no one can say with 100% certainty if the super spider does or does not exist. At least not to my knowledge.

I believe I remember reading about someone who believed they had hatched and raised to breeding size a super spider male, and were I believe two seasons in to trying to prove beyond doubt that is was indeed a super, I have not heard conclusively if it was proven or not. It would take several seasons, at least 4 or 5, with this male being bred to as many non-spider carrying females as possible and each and every one producing nothing but spider and spider cross offspring to say without doubt it was a super. Perhaps it is simply no one wants to make that big an effort ?

Gale

I found the thread about UKmorphs producing a "different" spider out of an albino spider(M) x spider(F) breeding. Of coure this thread was in 2008 so I dont know if they have seen anything "super" about this spider but it looks pretty awesome. I saved a couple pictures from his thread on this. He said in his thread "It has very reduced markings and it almost borders on having a silver base colour, also the usual yellow to white flank colour transition is not present. " I think it is very nice! But again he didnt say it was a super spider.



http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5...irdspider1.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6...irdspider2.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

that was probably a pre shed picture and/or a hidden gene was presant. we have a clutch from a honey bee x spider poss het hypo hatching right now. 4 spiders and 1 normal. 2 spiders and 1 normal cam out and died. the other 2 spiders are alive but have kinks. the normal also had a defect, missing an eye.
now these are being incubated at a friends house and i do not know but suspect to high of a incubation temperature. know way for me to know at this point. 1 thermostat reads 88 another they hooked up reads 91.
adam jeffery
also the no substrate method of incubation was used.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Reps4life

I found the thread about UKmorphs producing a "different" spider out of an albino spider(M) x spider(F) breeding. Of coure this thread was in 2008 so I dont know if they have seen anything "super" about this spider but it looks pretty awesome. I saved a couple pictures from his thread on this. He said in his thread "It has very reduced markings and it almost borders on having a silver base colour, also the usual yellow to white flank colour transition is not present. " I think it is very nice! But again he didnt say it was a super spider.



http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5...irdspider1.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6...irdspider2.jpg

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

---

Another thing to consider with this baby is how spiders can look very different from each other as babies. There is something about the melanin in them that can cause some odd color changes in them.

Plus, some albinos (blush albinos) create hets that hatch looking a lot like axanthics and then darken up with age. No matter what morph they are.

The supposed super spider would not look any different from any other spider. It isn't like the "pearl".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kinra

I think spider to spider is fine. I think it's woma to spider and woma to woma that results in fatal birth defects.

---

Neither of these combos is lethal or an issue as far as I know.

It's Hidden gene woma X hidden gene woma that makes the pearl, woma X woma makes womas and normals.
spider X woma makes...
http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ider-woma.html

Yeah those pictures i put up just show an awesome looking spider that were pre-shed pictures. I have never said it was a super and neither did UKmorphs. I personally dont believe in a true super spider but just wanted other peoples oppinions on it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by angllady2

I believe I remember reading about someone who believed they had hatched and raised to breeding size a super spider male, and were I believe two seasons in to trying to prove beyond doubt that is was indeed a super, I have not heard conclusively if it was proven or not. It would take several seasons, at least 4 or 5, with this male being bred to as many non-spider carrying females as possible and each and every one producing nothing but spider and spider cross offspring to say without doubt it was a super. Perhaps it is simply no one wants to make that big an effort ?

---

Well it would never be 100% proven ever, since there is always a small chance that the heterozygous spider is always throwing its spider gene, but look at it this way.
Chance of a het spider throwing all spiders for....
5 eggs = 1/32
10 eggs = 1/1024
15 eggs = 1/32,768
20 eggs = 1/1,048,576
27 eggs = 1/134,217,728 (Time to play the lottery)

27 eggs is when bhb said their homozygous pin was in fact homozygous. I think you could be pretty confident with a male in a season or 2, A female would take longer to prove out, so how many eggs do you want to see?

I had a spider male that threw all spiders, there's a thread on here somewhere. Unfortunately he died and thus I was never able to get as many clutches out of him to "prove" he never threw anything but normals. But it was several clutches, nothing but spiders ever hatched, although some eggs went bad. Even "dead" eggs that I cut open, if they had a formed fetus, the fetus had spider markings.

All his breedings were to non-spiders. As I understand it, NERD tried to produce a super spider for years and eventually figured there was no super form.

I don't claim mine was a "super" but only that I suspected he MIGHT be. Of course, now it's unprovable, since he passed away.