Some assistance needed from those who have hatched BEL's

Well I have a mystery egg from my 3rd clutch of the season. The pairing was my lesser female to my mojave and spider males and I got 5 good eggs from her. Well yesterday was day 56 and one had piped so I cut the rest of the eggs. Well it appears I have a lesser bee, lesser, normal, and this mystery egg. At 1st I thought I had gotten a BEL but upon closer inspection I'm not sure what this is... :O

http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...s/CIMG2576.jpg

This is the 1st time hatching Bel's and thought they would be white from the start but this is definitely not white.. and yes it looks orange with purple stripes... So I am at a loss as to what it is any suggestions or comments are welcome..

I'm just as confused as you, can't wait to see it out of the egg!

No idea what it is but it looks like it will be a stunner. Good luck and post photos when you can :)

Can't wait to see it out of the egg! :snake:

If it's a BEL its a paradox.. there's no mistaking a BEL in the egg.

What does the lesser bee look like in the egg?

I want more pictures =[

ahah i am soo impatient.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

If it's a BEL its a paradox.. there's no mistaking a BEL in the egg.

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Well that's what I was figuring but if its a paradox its one of the craziest looking ones ever.. As far as the lesser bee I will try to get a shot but it looks like a normal lesser bee nothing funky... I will definitely post pics once its out..

That don't look like one of these :O

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...9161Medium.jpg

Is it even remotely possible both parents were poss hets???

We need more pics..

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

That don't look like one of these :O

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...9161Medium.jpg

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That is what I was expecting, not what I got.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Is it even remotely possible both parents were poss hets???

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If they were I luv to know what they were het's for..? I have had all the adults since they were hatchling's and none of the breeders they were purchased from said anything about being het for anything. This was the female lesser's 1st year breeding and the male mojave and spider are proven breeder's with nothing like this hatching before... What makes it even more puzzling is which father produced this egg..? I will try to get some more pics when I get out of work later..

Mojave spider? :confused:

that is crazy looking

It kind of looks like a "dirty" ivory, but I don't know how one of those crawled into your egg when you weren't looking... Maybe it is a mojo spider and it just hasn't fully colored up yet? I kinda hope not, though. I hope it comes out completely crazy.

More pics of the baby, please! And maybe let's see Mom and Dad, too...

Could be lesser bee that hasn't colored up. Best bet is to wait until it comes out. They can and will color up a lot - especially if you're looking while they're still in the egg.

More pics! More pics! More pics! :)

ooooh my goodness. That is crazy looking. I can't WAIT for an update on this one.

Lessersmojavaspider!!! Aaawwww great odds to me especially being clutch less lolc:salute::snake::cool:

Just a slight correction for those guessing a mojo-spider. That can't happen. The mother is a lesser. The two potential fathers were mojave and spider. Only ONE snake can be the father, so no baby in this clutch could inherit mojo and spider characteristics at the same time.

I don't get too excited about guessing at least until the babies are fully hatched. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it, though!

Im thinking lesser bee but let's see :)

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Originally Posted by JLC

Just a slight correction for those guessing a mojo-spider. That can't happen. The mother is a lesser. The two potential fathers were mojave and spider. Only ONE snake can be the father, so no baby in this clutch could inherit mojo and spider characteristics at the same time.

I don't get too excited about guessing at least until the babies are fully hatched. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it, though!

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I was just going to say that! :P

My guess is both the lesser and the spider are het for albino and you have an albino lesserbee in that egg. But then suddenly the deal gets sweeter when you discover that it is actually a LAVANDER albino lesser bee :rolleyes: Hey we can all dream right! But if I am right I get to keep the little guy right?:gj:


UPDATE PLEASE!!!!!

cant wait for more pics!

I have no clue. But I want more pics. Oh and bring that little buddy to the show in oct! I want to see him!


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Ok, you're really killin us without the updates here... PICS!!! please? :D

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Originally Posted by JLC

Just a slight correction for those guessing a mojo-spider. That can't happen. The mother is a lesser. The two potential fathers were mojave and spider. Only ONE snake can be the father, so no baby in this clutch could inherit mojo and spider characteristics at the same time.

I don't get too excited about guessing at least until the babies are fully hatched. I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of it, though!

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This is correct and I'm trying not to get too excited because this baby is underdeveloped as of right now it is smaller and has a very large yolk sac and still in fluid. It is still showing very red and healthy veins and the liquid is still clear. I am leaving it alone and hoping it was just behind for some reason as all but 2 have come out of the eggs. I do hope that this little one makes it as that is my first concern.

Now as far as what it is... :confused: No idea... but it appears to only have a yellow stripe with purple striping on each side with a orange/peach body color.... for those making guesses it looks more like a G-stripe or super stripe as far as pattern... Here are some update pics (as best I could through the small hole) and some pics of the lesser bee that was in the clutch as well..

mystery egg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/CIMG2581.jpg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/CIMG2583.jpg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/CIMG2584.jpg

lesser bee in egg and out
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/CIMG2586.jpg
http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/CIMG2589.jpg

This is one of the reasons I enjoy this hobby so much..;) I won't know more until it comes out of the egg (hopefully healthy) and see it completly. I welcome any advise or comments on this....

Lesser Genetic Stripe perhaps? I'd love to see it out of the egg to help determine..

It's still alive and moving?

I can't even make a guess. Yell at him/her to get out already!:cool:

Ooooh! I'm really excited to see it out of the egg!
Looks kinda "orange ghost-ly" to me(but mixed with something to have an awesome pattern!)....

These threads frustrate me, I'm far too impatient. But I suppose I will need to learn to be more patient if I ever intend to breed. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

These threads frustrate me, I'm far too impatient. But I suppose I will need to learn to be more patient if I ever intend to breed. :rolleyes:

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You crack me up Kymberli!! I'm just as impatient on this one... If you couldn't already tell by my comments. haha

I just had my first ever clutch drop 2 night ago, and I swear these next 50 or so days are literally going to feel like 50 years.

I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT EGG!!

be patient Calen.. beeee patient. Man I couldn't even imagine what the OP must feel like. Hang in there OP!

I have a friend (Phil Bradley) back in North Carolina who hatched this: http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...21666&key=2009

Last time I talked to him the snake was alive and finally doing good (slow to start eating). Maybe you could contact him and get an update?

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Originally Posted by cdavidson9

You crack me up Kymberli!! I'm just as impatient on this one... If you couldn't already tell by my comments. haha

I just had my first ever clutch drop 2 night ago, and I swear these next 50 or so days are literally going to feel like 50 years.

I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT EGG!!

be patient Calen.. beeee patient. Man I couldn't even imagine what the OP must feel like. Hang in there OP!

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:) Glad someone was entertained by that. You would think I'd be the most patient person on this site, considering I breed Miniature Donkeys. Their gestation period is ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN MONTHS. Not even slightly joking here. These animals carry their foals for over one year. It's terrible. Yet I'm about to breed my girl again this weekend. :rolleyes:

Anyway.. that snake posted above from the kingsnake site is insane. I'm quite curious what it is and how it has progressed.

Oh man. I don't think that can color up enough to make it anything short of awesome. This is exciting.

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Originally Posted by PigsnPythons

I have a friend (Phil Bradley) back in North Carolina who hatched this: http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...21666&key=2009

Last time I talked to him the snake was alive and finally doing good (slow to start eating). Maybe you could contact him and get an update?

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OH my that is it!!!! What was your friend's pairing????????

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Was so excited I did not read. Okay so scratch the albino and re-enter het ghost in my guess :)

Very interesting!

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

:) Glad someone was entertained by that. You would think I'd be the most patient person on this site, considering I breed Miniature Donkeys. Their gestation period is ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN MONTHS. Not even slightly joking here. These animals carry their foals for over one year. It's terrible. Yet I'm about to breed my girl again this weekend. :rolleyes:

Anyway.. that snake posted above from the kingsnake site is insane. I'm quite curious what it is and how it has progressed.

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I am a huge fan of your miniature donkey's btw.. I think I have told you this before. :)

I think that's def a close match to what's in the egg!! You DEF need to find out more about that Kingsnake.com ad!

Wow that ks one was insane. I'd like to see him now. What the heck was that one?? Well good luck on figuring out what the heck this one is.


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Well I am not sure if this little one is going to make it... I have never lost a hatchling to this point and I'm afraid this might be my 1st... Any one have advice on what I should do...? The animal appears small and has a large amount of yoke like substance still in bottom of egg, it is still in the membrane with good amount of clear fluid and still has red veins. I am leaving it be in the incubator for now but it doesn't appear to be absorbing any of the yolk. I poked it and didn't see any movement so not sure.. Any help appreciated

I hope the little one pulls through for you.

It kind of looks like a Puma.. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/puma/ :confused:

Sending good thoughts to your little one. I hope she makes it.

Good luck with the baby, I have no breeding experience so I can't be of any help, so hopefully someone will come along who can help save the poor little snake!

Any new updates today? Or do any breeders have advice?

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Originally Posted by Action Reptiles

Well I am not sure if this little one is going to make it... I have never lost a hatchling to this point and I'm afraid this might be my 1st... Any one have advice on what I should do...? The animal appears small and has a large amount of yoke like substance still in bottom of egg, it is still in the membrane with good amount of clear fluid and still has red veins. I am leaving it be in the incubator for now but it doesn't appear to be absorbing any of the yolk. I poked it and didn't see any movement so not sure.. Any help appreciated

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Can you tell if the umbilicus is twisted or tangled? I'd think the red veins are a good sign...although a little movement would be reassuring. Does it look or smell like it's "going bad"? Good luck...I hope it pulls through for you.

I would love to help, but without seeing more, there is not much to say. Poke it and check that there is a response. Keep incubating it, because sometimes there isn't a response immediately or quickly.

sub'd for updates, REALLY hoping it's not a DIE because whatever is in there looks very cool!

Well I figure I would give an update for everyone. I regret to say this little one didn't make it :tears:. As all the others in the clutch had come out a couple days ago when I checked the egg today the large yolk mass had turned green so I cut the egg open. The baby was small with a very small head head. It was fully formed and with color. I will post some pics tomorrow as I am at work right now. The baby is very cool looking and I will definitely try to reproduce this again. Thanks for all the comments and kind words...

The pics to follow will be GRAPHIC so this is a pre-warning for those following this thread...