.het pied markers

Hey guy's,

as I am maybe changing my direction on wich types of morph to produce in the future i stumbled on the next questionmark: are the .het for pied markers also visible on morphs like a spider/pastel/bumblebee? Cause the only pics I have seen of these markers are shown with wildcolor BP's...

Cause i'm maybe thinking of getting an .het pied spider to breed with my pastel, but to produce a bumblebee piebald I should really need to know wich snake i should hold back :), i really have a lack of space to keep many snakes so if i hold the wrong one back it really would be a waste of many years...

I'm really just still thinking now, but you know, better get youre facts straight before you commence :)

Unfortunately there are no het Piebald markers on any Ball Python, normal or morph. Any "markers" you may have seen are a result of the extreme variability of normal Ball Python patterns and can be present on both animals that have the gene and those that do not.

There is no way of telling if a Ball Python truly has a recessive gene until you spend years feeding them, breed them and see the offspring.

This is why it is very important to trust the breeder when buying any BP that is supposedly contains a ressive gene.

It's not really the breader i wouldn't trust :) but me, not holding back the right snake :P

but if I do a : spider .het pied x pastel breeding and lets say i have an outcome of : 1 pastel, 1 spider, 1 bumblebee and a few wc there is no way telling wich one could carry the .het pied gene to breed back?

Why did you get a snake from someone who makes bread? Lol sorry couldn't resist.

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The only way to know for sure is to breed your het to a visual pied. You'll either get pieds, or het pieds. What you're talking about is a bunch of possible hets, which would be a pain in the ass to prove out.

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Originally Posted by spitzu

The only way to know for sure is to breed your het to a visual pied. You'll either get pieds, or het pieds. What you're talking about is a bunch of possible hets, which would be a pain in the ass to prove out.

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yeah if it is not visible, it really is. But i just tought because I hear everybody talking about the markers there was a way to find out...

Thanks for the usefull answers guy's!!!

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Why did you get a snake from someone who makes bread? Lol sorry couldn't resist.

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haha yes, exkuses mi, mi inglisch no very goed! lol:D
maar euh, in België praten we Nederlands dus je zal mij moeten vergeven voor deze kleine spellingsfout ;) lol, hoewel het wel leuk zou zijn mocht de bakker mij ook een nieuwe BP kunnen verschaffen :P Zondagmorgend: voor mij een taartje en een callico aub!

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Originally Posted by thomasK

haha yes, exkuses mi, mi inglisch no very goed! lol:D
maar euh, in België praten we Nederlands dus je zal mij moeten vergeven voor deze kleine spellingsfout ;) lol, hoewel het wel leuk zou zijn mocht de bakker mij ook een nieuwe BP kunnen verschaffen :P Zondagmorgend: voor mij een taartje en een callico aub!

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Awesome. No idea what you said but it looks similar to german so ill.guess dutch? :D lol. Something about spelling in the Netherlands and Sunday morning and bread? Lol

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Originally Posted by thomasK

haha yes, exkuses mi, mi inglisch no very goed! lol:D
maar euh, in België praten we Nederlands dus je zal mij moeten vergeven voor deze kleine spellingsfout ;) lol, hoewel het wel leuk zou zijn mocht de bakker mij ook een nieuwe BP kunnen verschaffen :P Zondagmorgend: voor mij een taartje en een callico aub!

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Indeed:cool:

you're in the right direction :P all hail google translate!!! :D

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Originally Posted by thomasK

you're in the right direction :P all hail google translate!!! :D

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Will have to check when I get home :)

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Originally Posted by Adam Chandler

Unfortunately there are no het Piebald markers on any Ball Python, normal or morph. Any "markers" you may have seen are a result of the extreme variability of normal Ball Python patterns and can be present on both animals that have the gene and those that do not.

There is no way of telling if a Ball Python truly has a recessive gene until you spend years feeding them, breed them and see the offspring.

This is why it is very important to trust the breeder when buying any BP that is supposedly contains a ressive gene.

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Well, I woudn't completely discount a marker though. If I had a normal with tracks or a tail ringer I'd certainly hold it back over just a normal looking normal.

Markers are not 100% that an animal is het Pied, but in a het to het breeding they can play a big part on who to hold back for future breeding. Some lines of pieds have stronger markers than others as well.

I don't have any experience with spiders or Bumble bees, but here is my 100% Pastel het Pied.

Indy
http://dailybulldogs.com/message/bp/...ndy/indy_3.jpg

http://dailybulldogs.com/message/bp/...ndy/indy_1.jpg

Just translated, HAHA that would be my dream place, if it were open 24/7 and had wifi. :D

i hear ya :) would need a nice coffee/tea bar to :) maybe we just found a hole in the market? :P

I wouldn't discount het pied markers. I know a snake with markers isn't necessarily a het; however, if I offered a batch of possible het pieds would you pick the ones with markers? I did in 2005 and all 5 proved out to be het pied...:D