Black Back??

Is he a black back?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/IMAG0223.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/IMAG0222.jpg

LOL, I hope you are just kidding, it's almost a complete solid stripe

So he's het red axanthic correct?

He is gorgeous :)

Could be.. But you can't classify it as that until you breed it, and then breed one of the offspring back to see if you get a red axanthic, which is quite different and much brighter than a het red ax.

Because het reds are a proven morph with red ax as the super.

It is pretty though :)

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

So he's het red axanthic correct?

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What did you buy him as? I'd say possibly het red or cinny. But if you bought him as a normal then you'd have to breed him to be sure. Normals can be black backs which may or may not be genetic.

That's no normal

He's a cinny, and I was just wondering if he is het red axanthic because of the black back. I will definitely try breeding him to one of his offspring in the future to see what happens. Thanks everyone!

No. Het red x cinny makes gargoyle. A gargoyle has a stripe. Not a blackback. Which is why het red and red ax are a completely different morph from genetic black backs.

This is what you get when you put a het red to a cinny...

Gargoyle...

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6898e0f-19a3-f760.jpg

http://tapatalk.com/mu/a6898e0f-19b5-6309.jpg

See? Gargoyle is het red x cinny. A messier cinny with connecting alien heads all the way down, a black back and continuous stripe..

A genetic black back cinnamon is completely different. Het red is a different morph from genetic BB.

Yours has no het red in it. You'll have to breed it to see if it's a genetic BB cinny or not because cinnys often have BB patterns anyway.. It would have to produce BB normals to be a genetic BB cinny.

I said this in another thread just today...but I'll say it here, too...because not everyone reads every thread. :P

The term "black back" is nothing more than a descriptive term that describes a particular pattern trait. It is NOT a genetic term in the same way that "pastel" or "cinny" are.

When Corey Woods first told his story about the Het Red Axanthics and Red Axanthics, he says he was breeding together two "black backs" in hopes of proving that the trait was inheritable and producing more black backed babies. Instead, he made the surprise discovery of a super form and named it Red Axanthic. Because the founding stock were het for the super form, he named them Het Red Axanthics.

Just because the Het Reds had the black back trait does NOT mean that all black backs are Het Reds.

In most ball pythons, the black back pattern is just as random as the number and shapes of the alien heads on their bodies. Unless your particular black back came from a known, proven genetic line...the only way to know for sure it is genetic is to breed it out over multiple generations.

For instance.... Here is my black-backed lesser, Spencer:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...e-oct09-02.jpg
He's from a big name breeder with a great reputation. The breeder says that neither of his parents showed any black back traits at all. So as amazing as Spencer looks, and as hopeful as I am that he has some special genes to pass on...I will not consider his black back traits genetic until I breed him and he passes the trait on to many babies and grand babies.

BTW...genetic black back or not...that is a super hot cinny you got there!!! :sunny: