Anyone listen to Amy Whinehouse?

Today an awesome singer died unfortunately...Amy Whinehouse's death is undefined as of now. She was only 27 years old and I loved her music...

dumb druggies... thats what they get!

Although her death isn't exactly a huge SURPRISE, it's still sad. No one deserves to die at the age of 27.

Who next, I wonder?

She was very talented, however I figured she would go out that way. It's a shame her demons got the best of her.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

Although her death isn't exactly a huge SURPRISE, it's still sad. No one deserves to die at the age of 27.

Who next, I wonder?

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I disagree actually, although death is usually sad, she made a choice. That choice ended up killing her and there is nothing sad about that.

If you dont want to increase your risk of dying, dont do drugs. Its simple. I think it all comes down to darwinism. Survival of the fittest. Well we just weeded out one dumb one.. on to the next.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I disagree actually, although death is usually sad, she made a choice. That choice ended up killing her and there is nothing sad about that.

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Just because it doesn't make YOU sad doesn't mean it's not sad for a whole lot of people. Gotta love it when someone thinks their own emotional view (or lack thereof) means everyone else must feel the same way. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I disagree actually, although death is usually sad, she made a choice. That choice ended up killing her and there is nothing sad about that.

If you dont want to increase your risk of dying, dont do drugs. Its simple. I think it all comes down to darwinism. Survival of the fittest. Well we just weeded out one dumb one.. on to the next.

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Well, yes, but I have sympathy for people, because I am human.

I don't know when her drug use started, but addictions are really screwed up. I don't condone the use of drugs, ever, but I understand that she had depression and a magnitude of other issues. Issues + money + fame usually equals.. DRUGS!
Once you're in the depths of an addiction, it's hard to get out.
I sympathize with her, because I have seen many-a-people in my life struggle with mental health issues and drug abuse, and it's not always as black and white as you're making it seem.

She had alot of health issues and depression issues :( so therefore her drug issues

She should have went to rehab oh YEa Yea YEa .... I had to :rofl::rofl:
I never would wish or be happy about a death but someone who has a drug problem then writes a song about not going to rehab I say it was inevitable.

Im not saying everyone has to share my opinion, I too had family addicted to drugs and regardless of the situation it was still a choice to start them in the first place. I have no sympathy for drug users at all. My sister was addicted to meth and I told her straight to her face if you continue to use I hope it kills you.

Drug addiction really is black and white. Either you choose to use or you choose not to. Black and white. And give me a break, Im rich, Im famous I have so much to be depressed about. Jeez, I struggle to make ends meet as Im going to school full time working more than full time and raising a family of 5. You dont see me turning to drugs. There are so many outlets that she could have used to kick her habit and she didnt.

Like it or not, theres not a druggie out there that will get any sympathy from me.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

And give me a break, Im rich, Im famous I have so much to be depressed about.

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.......................you don't know much about mental health and clinical depression, do you?

EDIT: And also, she had suffered from eating disorders as well. The toll that that takes on your body is a HUGE one. It was probably a number of things, including drugs that caused her death. But the eating disorder just came to mind and it wrecks the body.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

Like it or not, theres not a druggie out there that will get any sympathy from me.

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No problem with that at all. That's your prerogative and I respect your opinion on the matter. It's cool to post your own thoughts and opinions about an issue like this. What's not cool is to argue about subjective issues of "sadness" and make out like someone is "wrong" for feeling sad just because you don't feel that way yourself. That's how it came across, anyhow.

No, I defiantly think everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is just mine. And I know a little about mental health and clinical depression as I was on medication for depression for 14 years. With that said I still don't see what there is for her to be depressed about. Shes rich, She could have anything she wanted.

the depression was probably a side affect from the drugs anyhow.

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But depression just doesn't work like that, at allllllll!
You can have all of the material goods in the WORLD, and still become clinically depressed.

My boyfriend has had a great bringing up, no money problems, nothing, and he has had dysthymia for most of his life, with frequent episodes of major depression. One looking in on his life would say that he has absolutely nothing to be depressed about, but unfortunately it just doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

No, I defiantly think everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is just mine. And I know a little about mental health and clinical depression as I was on medication for depression for 14 years. With that said I still don't see what there is for her to be depressed about. Shes rich, She could have anything she wanted.

the depression was probably a side affect from the drugs anyhow.

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If you truly had to deal with depression in your life you would understand that your comment about being rich has nothing to do with the issue. I guess in your eyes you wont have anything to do with people who smoke or drink alcohol either. They are drugs as well just legal...

Who knows why she was a drug addict. Could it have been caused by depression? Yeah, sure. Could you depression have been caused by a childhood trauma? Sure. Does it really matter at this point? No. If you were going to be critical of someone, do it while they are alive, not after they've kicked it. At this point, it's not them you are being critical of. It's their families that have to read the newspapers and find out the million things that made their loved one such a waste of life that they deserved to die.

I wasn't a fan, but it's always tragic when such a young individual loses their life. Seems like they have so much potential left.

I heard enough of her music to make me wonder what all the fuss was about??? She put out what...two cd's I think? Could barely make it through a performance without slurring, stumbling or picking fights with fans...IMO she was more famous for being a train-wreck than a talented musician...

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Originally Posted by Rat160

dumb druggies... thats what they get!

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Have a little compassion. One of my ex's moms just passed away last week due to drugs. You are on a public forum. Think about what you post before you post it.

To the OP, I don't know if I have ever heard the singer or not, but I am sad to hear about her death. My condolences go out to her family.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

the depression was probably a side affect from the drugs anyhow.

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A causal link between drugs and depression has never been established.

However, a reverse causal link, in that those with depression are more prone to turn to drugs as a "solution", "self-medicating", or other buzzwords, is generally accepted by psychologists and psychiatrists.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

.......................you don't know much about mental health and clinical depression, do you?

EDIT: And also, she had suffered from eating disorders as well. The toll that that takes on your body is a HUGE one. It was probably a number of things, including drugs that caused her death. But the eating disorder just came to mind and it wrecks the body.

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seriously please stop trying to make excuses for her. I am a clinically diagnosed manic depressive, I am not on medication for it, nor have I ever been. I have never touched drugs and dont drink away my sorrows. The fact of the matter is that with her lifestyle she had it coming.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Have a little compassion. One of my ex's moms just passed away last week due to drugs. You are on a public forum. Think about what you post before you post it.

To the OP, I don't know if I have ever heard the singer or not, but I am sad to hear about her death. My condolences go out to her family.

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I agree with the guy. I don't have sympathy for druggies. I pity their families more than anything, but not the druggies. They made their choice.

Before you jump me, I've known plenty of druggies. One is my uncle who's addicted to meth and single handedly trying to repopulate the world. Another is my step-sister's half-sister who popped out three kids for the welfare checks so she could get more drugs (again, meth). When she didn't have the money, she'd exchange sex for drugs.

Frankly, I'm surprised winehouse didn't go sooner. Additionally, I'm like mainbutter. I've had clinical depression since five, while I have been on prescription medication, I've never had to desire to try and self medicate with illegal drugs or with alcohol.

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Originally Posted by BigJ

seriously please stop trying to make excuses for her. I am a clinically diagnosed manic depressive, I am not on medication for it, nor have I ever been. I have never touched drugs and dont drink away my sorrows. The fact of the matter is that with her lifestyle she had it coming.

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People deal with certain situations and things differently.

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Drug addiction sucks, mental illness sucks and drug addiction combined with mental illness sucks. No one is arguing that fact however a human being died, she was someones child. She made poor choices and paid for them, the lack of human compassion is concerning. A PERSON DIED and it's only natural for people to feel for her family and pity for the crazy drug addicted anorexic girl.
She wasn't a victim she chose to do the things she did, but it's still sad.

I am on anti depressants and have been for a few years and im still young its from going through 2 abusive families and then losing what i lost so ive been put on medication so i feel really bad for her

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Originally Posted by python_addict

She had alot of health issues and depression issues :( so therefore her drug issues

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seriously?

While her death although tragic as it may be, is not surprising in the least.
Her mother had her pick out a burial plot back in '08.

The only health/eating issues that she had were a direct result of her drug use, period.

Why are people saying she was depressed? Because her publicist may have put out a story tryin to shine the light away from her over indulgent heroin use.

She was nominated for 7 grammy awards, and won 5 of the nominations. She had a great voice. She didn't even come here for the Grammy's, she did a live performance from London. They say it was because she was in rehab, NOT!
She was afraid to come to the states, because she was afraid she would have problems with her heroin.

Here are 2 pictures of her, more like before & after the drugs

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...e-fat-thin.jpg

Amy chose the path she went down, no one dragged her down it kicking & screaming.

She danced her way down that path of self destruction, with not a care in the world, for anyone, not even herself.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

Shes rich, She could have anything she wanted.

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Yeah, because being rich buys complete happiness, and material possessions take away depression... suuuure. If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. :rolleyes: From personal experience, I can tell you that wealth (or lack thereof) has little to do with mental stability and happiness.

Regardless of how or why she died, it's still a sad thing IMO - she was young, talented, and had a LOT more to offer the world. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

No, I defiantly think everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is just mine. And I know a little about mental health and clinical depression as I was on medication for depression for 14 years. With that said I still don't see what there is for her to be depressed about. Shes rich, She could have anything she wanted.

the depression was probably a side affect from the drugs anyhow.

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You seem to have a warped idea of famous, rich people. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they can do or have anything they want. Famous people are expected to behave a certain way, do certain things, and hang out with certain people. Most often, famous people (at least a lot of famous singers) have drug problems because of the people they hang out with, the stress of their job (you may work a full time job but their entire LIFE is their job. They are on the covers of magazines, on t.v. Their LIFE is on display for the whole world to see. Every FLAW, every MOVE they make is on camera. That is enough to make anyone stressed. Add to that you are expected to hang with certain people (to be with the "in" crowd) who are also just as stressed.) Drugs are a big problem with famous people. Being rich has nothing to do with it.

You are entitled to your opinion but when it comes to the DEATH of a young woman, it is best you keep that opinion to yourself if it is to be so negative, in respect for the dead and those who are saddened by her passing.

For all you know, she could have died from some condition that no one had any clue about that had nothing to do with drugs. Unlikely, but its still possible. Have some respect for the dead, even if you don't agree with her life choices. No one deserves to die young. It disturbs me you would wish death (even tell her to her face!) on your sister.

Chock me up on the side of "got what she deserved." she glamorized drug abuse while kids watched and thankfully now those same kids can see the end result with their own eyes.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

You seem to have a warped idea of famous, rich people. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they can do or have anything they want. Famous people are expected to behave a certain way, do certain things, and hang out with certain people. Most often, famous people (at least a lot of famous singers) have drug problems because of the people they hang out with, the stress of their job (you may work a full time job but their entire LIFE is their job. They are on the covers of magazines, on t.v. Their LIFE is on display for the whole world to see. Every FLAW, every MOVE they make is on camera. That is enough to make anyone stressed. Add to that you are expected to hang with certain people (to be with the "in" crowd) who are also just as stressed.) Drugs are a big problem with famous people. Being rich has nothing to do with it.

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Ok I'm sure it is stressful to be famous. I'm sure I wouldn't want people knowing every aspect of y life 24/7 but I think we're overlooking something. There is a simple way to take away all the stress of being famous. STOP! Stop writing music, stop performing, stop making movies, stop doing whatever it is that makes you famous. Go get a factory job in Kansas and look at that not famous anymore! I bet you won't find many people doing that will you? You know why? Because they CHOOSE to be famous, they CHOOSE to be rich. Just like they CHOOSE to do drugs. Also, I think saying peer pressure made me do it is kinda crap too. Come on she was an adult. I used cocaine for several years and fortunately I got away from it before it killed me but I still hang out with several people who did it with me, whether they do it or not I don't know because they know what reaction they will get if they offer it to me. I'm an adult and I make my own decisions and I deal with my own consequences just as she did. The rich and famous develop drug issues because they have the money to develop drug issues and they want the lifestyle, not because of peer pressure.

As for not posting opinions on a public forum...its a PUBLIC forum and hence open to opinion from everyone regardless of whether or not they agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

You seem to have a warped idea of famous, rich people. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they can do or have anything they want. Famous people are expected to behave a certain way, do certain things, and hang out with certain people. Most often, famous people (at least a lot of famous singers) have drug problems because of the people they hang out with, the stress of their job (you may work a full time job but their entire LIFE is their job. They are on the covers of magazines, on t.v. Their LIFE is on display for the whole world to see. Every FLAW, every MOVE they make is on camera. That is enough to make anyone stressed. Add to that you are expected to hang with certain people (to be with the "in" crowd) who are also just as stressed.) Drugs are a big problem with famous people. Being rich has nothing to do with it.

You are entitled to your opinion but when it comes to the DEATH of a young woman, it is best you keep that opinion to yourself if it is to be so negative, in respect for the dead and those who are saddened by her passing.

For all you know, she could have died from some condition that no one had any clue about that had nothing to do with drugs. Unlikely, but its still possible. Have some respect for the dead, even if you don't agree with her life choices. No one deserves to die young. It disturbs me you would wish death (even tell her to her face!) on your sister.

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Your second sentence is proven wrong every day...

She could have had the best treatment/doctors available...she could have taken months off to "rehab" without putting a dent in her bank account...heck she could have taken years off. The average joe doesn't have that luxury. And why is she any more stressed than the rest of us? Because she's famous? I'm not buying that. She either had mental issues or she was just too weak minded to deal with life...