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What the heck?
Ok, so, in 2009 I hatched out a clutch from my lesser platinum male, and a very large, dark female. The clutch was strange from the moment of hatching. Both of the females in the clutch (most of the clutch was male) had deformities, so I thought that perhaps there had been an incubation temperature spike. Many of the undamaged animals showed granite markings, with one male in particular having classic genetic granite looks. I held him back.
The next year, I rebred the female to the same male, to make certain that the cause of the problems hadn't been genetic. All of the offspring were fine, including the females (it was a large clutch, too).
This past season, I bred my holdback granite male to a dark female.
The first hatchling out of the clutch is a female...with spector markings. 0_o
Now, I've been studying up on spectors, because I'd like to get into a spector project. This girl has a neck stripe with a spot in it, she has one or more donuts, including attached to the back stripe, she had alien heads with large spots and small dots.
So, is something really weird going on in this bloodline, and I hit the jackpot...or is she proof of my granite line? Or is she just a normal, and all of these snakes are teasing me?
Pictures to follow.
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These does have the granite markings. Can you post pics of the sire & dam?
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Here's the Sire (Ausangate), with his classic granite markings. (The neck spot is there, just hard to see in this photo):
http://eclipseexoticscom.ipage.com/i...angate_LRG.jpg
Here's the Dam (Hathor):
http://eclipseexoticscom.ipage.com/i...Hathor_LRG.jpg
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Re: What the heck?
I don't know anything about spectors, so sorry I have no help with that, but its definitely an interesting project! thanks for sharing
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It looks granitey to me as well. Granites have such generic markers that many fit them, it has the markers for it but is different somehow as well. I can't wait to see it in a shed or two.
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You could hit Recessive Genetic Granite line... of course that mean that lesser and your both of your females must be hets... and that will be lottery shot but i heard about more impossible thing happening in balls breeding...
In Your Case I'll Hold that Female and breed her to father and see what will happen...:gj:
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Well, there's 7 more still in the egg from that clutch, lol.
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Hatchling 2: Male. Granite markings. Neck stripe spot is a single black scale.
Hatchling 3: Female. Granite and Spector markers, just like the first one. Neck stripe spot is a single black scale.
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Re: What the heck?
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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion
Hatchling 2: Male. Granite markings. Neck stripe spot is a single black scale.
Hatchling 3: Female. Granite and Spector markers, just like the first one. Neck stripe spot is a single black scale.
Pictures!!!!:taz::taz::taz:
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lol, I'll get pics of them all once we finish rearranging the critter room and can set the light box up down there. Hauling them upstairs one at a time gets old, and I'd rather take GOOD pics. :)
The second female really does have a pattern that's very much like the first one--all the same features, including the flames and the donuts, etc. The little male's pattern is more conservative.
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Next hatchling, male: You'd swear it was a spector if it was in a spector clutch, except for the big neck spot.
(This is kind of amusing and fun. No, I don't think they are actually spectors, that would be beyond the realm of belief in odds, lol...but granites with donuts sure do look like them). :)
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2 still in the egg...they are taking their time! So far, every hatchling has a neck spot, and granite speckling along with the larger spots in the alien heads.
Has anyone ever heard of a dominant granite line? Maybe I should be thinking up a new name for these, until I figure out whether they're a known morph? It's obvious that something genetic is involved at this point, so I've got a 'proven something' at least.
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They're all out, so that makes a full clutch of 'whatever this is'. The animals all either have a good-sized neck spot like a granite, or a single black scale in their neck stripe. All of them have more or less granite speckling. Most have donuts attached to their back stripe markings. (I have to double-check to see if they ALL do).
I'll have photos soon, but that first female is a very good representation of what the rest of them look like.
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Very interesting! I'll be watching the updates on this.
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I think I can positively state that the Lesser sire is the origin of this unknown genetic trait (assuming it's not all just a big coincidence). Perhaps the biggest barrier to exploring this is the fact that I don't have any yellowbelly females at all, lol.
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Re: What the heck?
This is awesome!! I'd love to see pics of all of them. I definitely think you're on to something :)
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Re: What the heck?
Interesting! Do you still have the Lesser sire?
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Yes, I have him. I'm not too excited, yet...after all, even if this is 'something', there's no reason yet to believe it's going to be something other than what it is...that is, perhaps mixing it with other things will result in...nothing. The Lesser sire doesn't look unusual, after all. I don't think a morph that just causes granite markings and donuts on the back stripe is going to attract much attention, lol. (Sure, technically it's a morph, but if it can't make interesting combos...it might as well not be).
For now, my goal is just to continue growing up my holdback girls, and try breeding them to the granite male that sired this clutch, and see if this 'whatever it is' can make a super-something. That, and try to get my hands on a yellowbelly girl. Most things that are interesting seem to be brought out by combining them with yellowbelly.
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