butter or lesser?????

hey guys

one of my many goals in breeding is to make a killer queen bee now i thought i read it was lesser spider super pastel but now on world ball pythons its listed as a butter spider super pastel what is the correct recipe for this beautiful snake:snake:

right now i have a male super pastel and a female spider so should i look for a male or female lesser or butter *depends on what is the correct ingredient* and

what would the other snake be called that isnt a killer queen bee :confused:bumble bee butter i think is what it is

Butters and Lessers are pretty much the same morph. You can make queenbees and killer queenbees with either a butter or a lesser.

Super Pastel x Butter Bee

RESULTS
25%Pastel
25%Bumble Bee
25%Butter Pastel
25%Bumble Bee Butter


Super Pastel x Lesser Bee

RESULTS
25%Pastel
25%Bumble Bee
25%Lesser Pastel
25%Queen Bee

but the morph list says a super pastel x butter bee gives you a shot at a killer Queen Bee

Their the same thing, A pewter is still a pewter whether its made with lemons or bell pastels

they may call them the same thing but they will look different, Pewters were mentioned and is a good example. a pewter from a cinny and one from a Blk pastel are both called pewters but you can tell which is which by looking, so I say you have to get the animals that give you what you want. My pewters will be BK pastels because that is what I decided I like better, and your Killer Queens should be what you like best.

Black pastel/pastel is called a black pewter.

i understand its the same but diffrent im just really confused by why one world of bp its said that its a butter and if i did the genetic calculator right the queen bee and bumble bee butter are the "same" snake but the pictures that are show for the queen and the bee butter are very diffrent the queen has very light pattern and the bee butter has darker pattern i know that each snake will be differnt but if it is the same snake then they should be close to the same look also in the gen calculator a super pastel spider lesser has no name it comes up as super pastel,spider, lesser so you can click and see that snake meaning that the website has not updated that snake recipe or it hasnt been a proven snake but i think that when you are into that 3 gene area what you used to make it is really important

I think a large part of it is simply the quality of the animal in question. butters, lessors in my opinion also are the same morph. there are reduced pattern light coloured lessors and butters. and there are dark butters and lessors. I don't really think it matters if you start with lessors or butters as much as the quality of the parents you chose. as far as pewter, black pewter goes of course you can see a difference because cinny's and black pastels are pretty different in there appearance.

Your confusion is exactly why snakes shouldnt have names such as bee's, pewters etc.. Call it by the morph combo. Butter Spider, Pastel Spider, Super pastel spider!

Butters and lessers should be considered the same until there is some proof indicating that they are.

ok so i think i will just look for the best looking lesser/butter i can find (might go directly to ralph davis ) but in you guys opinion with a spuer pastel male and a spider female should i get a male or female lesser/butter

depends more on the sex of the baby you eventually produce that has all the genes you want.

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Originally Posted by Abaddon91

but the pictures that are show for the queen and the bee butter are very diffrent the queen has very light pattern and the bee butter has darker pattern i know that each snake will be differnt but if it is the same snake then they should be close to the same look

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Think of how much pastel vary in looks, now think of how much spiders vary and lesser/butter vary.

Now the chance of a two gene animal looking different increases by how much the genes vary. Now your dealing with 3 genes? Don't you think it would be more amazing to find a 3 gene animal looking similar than different?

I can show you a light lesser and a darker but more yellow lesser just in my collection, now throw in different looking pastels and different looking spiders.... why would you assume the offspring to look the same?

not that im saying that some thing wouldnt look diffrent its more a lesser even a more yellow lesser is sill a lesser when you look at it you dont confuse it for a mojo or something so a general statement (again i could be wrong) even the most spectacular animal will have similarities to the lowest end animal