New Clutch of what do I call these??

OK so I have a female that looks to be a spot nose and a super enchi male that I crossed and got these guys. I am not sure on what to call them because they are AWESOME!

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC_0060.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC_0059.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC_0061.jpg

And in Direct Sunlight...
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/27354d11.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a4f984bb.jpg

What do you guys think?

Thanks

Mike

Hi,

I think I reeeeeealy want to see a picture of mum. :O


dr del

Spenchi's.. Enchi Nose.

Snot noses.

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Originally Posted by dr del

I think I reeeeeealy want to see a picture of mum. :O

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Done!

The funny thing is she looks like a nice normal but she has a slight butterfly head pattern and some fading and a broken pattern but that is it. Nothing fancy or nothing special showing that I can see!

Here is a pic (with my old mobile phone sorry for the quality) of her with my enchi male and this was after they made a mess of the water bowl and the whole tub! I had a lock pic but it turned out blurry.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...g/IMG_0284.jpg

Her on the eggs all bright!
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC_0005.jpg
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC_0006.jpg

So the best case guess I have is she is ether has a hidden gene or a low low low grade something or a het or who knows? She was sold to me as a normal female so I am not sure on what she is. I will try and get some better pictures of her soon.

Thanks

Mike

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

Snot noses.

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EPIC WIN SIR! That is all I can say!

I'd call them Enchis...Nice!

haha I love snot noses

Yeah deffinatly snot nose then everyone can call theirs a little booger :D ahahah wow those r ballin ;)

Those look like just very nice Enchi's to me.. That female is not a Spotnose.

I'd have to agree with Heather that she's not a spotnose. Those are some great looking Enchis for sure!

I know she isn't but I wish she was a spotnose! That would explain the colors and patterns. I was trying to give an example of what would best describe the way she looks. (Sorry my mistake in the description) That is why I wanted to show pictures of her ether way.

I was shocked to see an enchi produce hatchlings that are this bright and the orange and yellow that is no where close to what the enchi male looks like. I was looking for some reason that the whole clutch (5 eggs) would turn out like that.

The math just didn't add up with her being a Normal and a male enchi being a co-dom. I should have got at least half of the clutch as normals and half being enchi. So that is where I was looking at the female having some type of genetics to add to the enchi to answer why the clutch turned out like this.

Looking at that I am going to breed the male to another normal female and the female to another dominate male. To try and prove if the genetics are in the male or female or in both.

I was thinking of crossing her with a spider or a pinstripe with them being dominate mutations the pattern will be there or it wont. Worst case I get some normals and spiders or pinstripes.

Ether way I am so happy to have the hatchlings healthy bright and beautiful! I am for sure going to cross the females with pattern mutations and see what I get from them when they are breedable!

Thanks for the comments and the info! You guys are always a HUGE help!


Thanks

Mike

well i don't know if i misread what put in your original post, but you said you bred her to a super enchi.

normal x Super enchi =all enchi babies

That pretty much explains why you didn't get any normals.


unless you meant 'super' enchi as in hes a super looker or something:P

OK so I have some updated pictures. They don't do them justice as far as color goes.

In the reptile room light ... closer to true color ... but still not sunlight..

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0533.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0532.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0531.jpg

In the sun later in the evening....

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0530.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0529.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/.../IMG_0528a.jpg

Only changes to the images where cropping the image.

So the other two not pictured turned out to be noting more than simple run of the mill Enchis. These guys keep shifting the color on me so I wanted to post some updates.

Thanks

Mike

Just a quick note the picture where taken with my iPhone so not the best quality ether...

Great looking enchis:gj: They almost look like supers themselves! Were me I would hold a pair back and breed them together see how awesome a super from the two would be! I would also throw the son back to mom instead of dad.

Thanks!
I really wish I could get a better shot of them they really do look better than the picture.
I took one to Austin for a reptile show last weekend and even asked Bob Clark what he thought it was and he said it was a "Super Enchi crossed with ... I don't know something nice"
I told him I was going to cross the same pair again and see if I get more of them then breed the offspring from this year back to the parents next year to see what I got and he asked me to let him know what I got.

So this year will be a repeat of paring up the same two that produced these this year to try and make more.

Next year I will take the 2011's and breed them back to both of the parents to see what I get.

I will keep you guys posted!

Moom looks like she is kind of reduced pattern.. and She could affect pattern on that babies.. Those are for sure really really nice Enchis :gj::gj::gj:

From the Other hand..
Can you post Picture of female again?? This time with nice whole Body from above, head Shot (close up i wanna see pattern on her head) and belly Shot ??

Any body else thinks that She look little bit Vanilla-ish/Fire-Ish on that picture on eggs ??

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From the Other hand..
Can you post Picture of female again?? This time with nice whole Body from above, head Shot (close up i wanna see pattern on her head) and belly Shot ??

Any body else thinks that She look little bit Vanilla-ish/Fire-Ish on that picture on eggs ??

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I will try to get one for you this weekend in full sun light... I am about to leave the house for a while so it may not be today.

She looks like a reduced pattern but has a STRANGE butterfly looking almost spot nose like head stamp.

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Originally Posted by Liquid

In the sun later in the evening....

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0530.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/...i/IMG_0529.jpg

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/.../IMG_0528a.jpg

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They look amazing! My thought is mom added a bit of reduced pattern to the mix.

Not to be a bugger but it looks like there are a few mites on them.

stunning animals ! lucky man you are...

vanillas are hard to tell sometimes and i dont have alot of experience with them but i would say that looks exactly what i would think an enchi vanilla would look like.

something else there for sure.
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by jsmorphs2

They look amazing! My thought is mom added a bit of reduced pattern to the mix.

Not to be a bugger but it looks like there are a few mites on them.

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Good eye! Yes it seems ether I picked them up at the show or one of the two rescues we took in last week had them! You can quarentine and check and check but those nasty little bastards sneak in on you from time to time!

We are in the middle of a full scale clean out and PAM assault on the reptile room now! With over 55 snakes that may take over my weekend right there!

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

vanillas are hard to tell sometimes and i dont have alot of experience with them but i would say that looks exactly what i would think an enchi vanilla would look like.

something else there for sure.
adam jeffery

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Good point! I got her for $100 so that would be an awesome deal if she is!!
I will get better pictures of her as we clear out the mite invasion this weekend!

Nice!
I'd like to see these again after shed, etc.!

If one of those is a male.....I want it.

Beautiful snakes, great job!