What kind of het pied?

Alright. I am thinking about what kind of snakes to get next, and I know I want to get a piebald and a het pied. Then I got to thinking. . . what if I got a morph that was 100% het pied instead of a normal.

So, what type of het pieds would you all choose?

I would like it to look visually different than a normal, so I'm thinking about some different things here ....
I am thinking about albino het pied .... Maybe a pinstripe het pied ... Don't really want a spider or pastel right now ...

Anyway, the budget ... say something that is comparable to a piebald or less, preferably less but its okay either way.

Let's say anywhere from 200-1000 as the budget for this snake.

Also, would it be wise to get the female as the piebald or the female as the het?

Anyway, thanks!

Maybe a bee het pied ...

Gosh I can't find any of those though :)

Forgot to mention, want a hatchling for now! That helps on the price.

Clown het pied or a mojave het pied and produce some gold pieds

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Originally Posted by lucylove

Clown het pied or a mojave het pied and produce some gold pieds

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Do you have a pic of gold pied/how are they made?

The gold pied is a mojave/pied ball python. You make it by breeding a Mojave het pied to a het pied or pied. There is one on this forum. I am using my blackberry.

Gotcha, must be the white gold I saw :)

I would love to make pumpkin pieds, with a yellow belly het pied as well ..

Gosh these things are so hard to find sometimes :)

You might be better off buying a male pied and producing your own hets if you have adult morph females.

Nope, no adult morph females, just one normal female. That's a good thought though ... could just get a normal morph and produce a het ... hmm. That would be okay with me! Gosh, I love the bees and the xanthics.

I wonder... I could get a axanthic (probably out of my budget but hypothetical) and breed to pied, and get a 100% het snake and breed it back to where I'd eventually get a pied axanthic ....

That would take a while ^_^

Still have lots of thinking to do.

Want to at least get one het for pied snake for pied babies though. They are my favorite. Which is why I wanted to get a het pied morph :)

I think it's a good idea, but the budget is really going to limit you. You can't easily find an albino het pied or even pinstripe het pied for that kind of money. Double het albino pied, sure, but albino het pied?

Also, the albino is recessive, so you won't see any albino babies again for at least two generations, unless you also buy a piebald het albino. Lots of money, but not a bad investment.

I do like the way the pinstripe plays with pied. It doesn't seem to make an all-white snake, and it reduces pattern/increases color. I might even save up for pinstripe het pied AND a pastel het pied, both female, and then buy the pied male in a year. Lemon blast pied project!

True that, I didn't look at pricing until later on tonight ... finally found a couple of those combos and they weren't cheap :)

Perhaps I will get not only a normal het pied to get possible pied babies, but another morph as well to play with. I am heavily looking at the bees. Love them. Will most likely get a pied male, as this is the most expensive morph I am seeking, and then get a het pied female and a something female ....

Okay I know what I want .... thinking about a pied and a bumblebee ... And then I can breed the bee offspring back to the bee and hopefully get a killerbee. And then I can breed an offspring of some sort to my butter and eventually come out with queen bees... All the while giving me a batch of het pieds that I can breed back to the piebald and get some pieds down the road :)

Yes, I'm very liking this idea. WOoooo :)

I've come to the realization that I really like possible het females.

I'm building a small army of female morphs that are also possible het for various recessives. My basic inclusion criteria is that she has to be nice enough looking that I won't be that sad if she doesn't prove out ... But if she does, man will I be happy :P

I like this method because if you look around, you can often find really nice possible het animals for not too much more than the baseline price of a nice example of that morph. Looking for female morphs 100% pied, on the other hand, it seems like you'll usually pay at least 3x the base price, maybe more.

... Just something to think about -- especially if you're already contemplating the route of making your own hets; with possible hets you can plan on going that route, with the exciting possibility in the wings that you may just get quite a jumpstart.

What a great thought. You have a point there. I am still deciding, gosh, because pieds are so hard to find and het pieds are easier ... esp poss het pieds. So I think I MAY go the route of the bee I want ... and maybe a fire :) And then throw in some het pieds into the mix at some point ....

I would get a pastel or fire or other COLOR based morph het pied. To me, spider pieds don't really show off much cool spider traits! they are all white (which is cool!) but they aren't necessarily my top choice when it comes to pied combos. Pumpkin pieds, on the other hand, are amazing and I'd totally want one! That doesn't mean I won't eventually be breeding my spider and piebald, but it's not my first combo! I've heard that morphs with pattern tend to get obliterated by the piebald and become a snake with a neat face and almost all white body. Impressive for genes, but less cool as far as looks go, since you could just buy a high white pied, not as much my fav!

But i say pick a few different het pieds or poss het pied morphs you;d like and see what you can find! Good luck!!

Thanks!!

I am probably buying a pied baby here soon and have the opportunity to get an orange belly het pied with her. So .. the question is ... is the orange belly similar to the yellow belly? Would it still be a pumpkin pied or would it be different???

I put it in the world of ball pythons breeder thing and it just came up as "Orange belly, pied" ....

Jess you need to slow down...like whoa! :p

Kevin Bullis

Oh, I'm satisfied mostly now :) Need an initial investment ;)

Oh, nevermind. The orange belly is the Ben siegle line of yellow belly, so I guess I would be able to make pumpkin pieds :) This is one of my favorite morphs :) :) :)

I need to stop reading so fast ^_^

If you're interested in making pumpkin pieds, you need to talk to Justin Kobylka, who was the original breeder of them. They are more than just a YB pied.;)

Indeed, I'd love to talk to him .... I'd love to know the secret behind the beauties :)

He's a member here - jkobylka is his username.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Thanks!!

I am probably buying a pied baby here soon and have the opportunity to get an orange belly OR het pied with her. So .. the question is ... is the orange belly similar to the yellow belly? Would it still be a pumpkin pied or would it be different???

I put it in the world of ball pythons breeder thing and it just came up as "Orange belly, pied" ....

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Oops, I meant OR het pied :) Just noticed this...

Jessica, shoot me a call or email. :gj: