So still trying to decipher Arnold

I've come across a couple of pictures similar to Arnold but none are really that close. I found a Spider:Fire at NERDs site but I don't know. Anybody here take any good guesses or know for sure? Here's the link to NERD's Fire

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ider-fire.html

And pics of Arnold:

http://i53.tinypic.com/np5piw.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2gtqanr.jpg

Axanthic Bumble Bee?

I don't know the story behind this particular snake though, so apologies!

Trey

What was the breeding he come from?

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Originally Posted by chuckels

axanthic bumble bee?

I don't know the story behind this particular snake though, so apologies!

Trey

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I have no idea of the breeding history, she came from a petshop an hour away from my house and they bought her from a private breeder but didn't know about her lineage and couldn't tell me anything about the breeder :( Only thing I know is they had her and a pastel together and they both came from the same breeder. I may try and call tomorrow to do some more detective work.

Get a good picture of the head pattern, that would be helpful;)

At first glance I would think fire spider.

Are you interested in selling her?

Could be a fire-spider, though it's a tad tough for me to imagine someone hatching out a fire-spider unknowingly and then wholesaling it to a pet store. Could happen I suppose -- I guess one parent could've been an imported fire and the breeder didn't realize it -- but it just seems less likely.

My thought it is that it may be a regular spider who underwent a loss of pigment and became lighter, possibly due to a metabolic stress.

I've had this happen a couple of times now; I ended up selling both animals but have kept track of them both. One, an older female, I think may be an actual "IMG" as she has darkened up significantly since losing her color -- to the point where she is now darker than she was before losing it.

The other, though, was one that I think experienced a metabolic stress that caused him to lose pigment, and that's a little more what your guy reminds me of ... He doesn't look quite as silver/gray as many of them seem to, but it seems that some turn silver and others just get very light ... Without a history I'd think it's a fair hypothesis.

... Though, that doesn't mean that you might not get lucky when you breed her! :D

Well I cant see a breeder selling an axanthic bee to a pet store let alone the pet store paying the price for one. If your snake and the pastel came from the same clutch it could be a low quality bee. Or just a unique spider. It dosnt have the white sides of a typical spider which is what a spider x fire looks like, although I dont see a pet store having one. Hmmm not sure but it's a beautiful snake and would like to have one like it. :)

First picture looks like an axanthic bee the second looks like a low white lighter colored spider. I would guess it's the second one. Only way to know is breed her. What else do you have to breed to her?

I agree with axanthic bumble bee, that's what it really looks like. Or it could have been a loss of pigment as was said before.

Well I called the petshop she came from and asked about her previous owners. She came from a pet supply company called Quality Pets or this is what the manager told me. I was told to call back Monday and talk to the owners to find out for sure and get pointed in the right direction. I'm definitely going to figure this out. And in case anyone missed my original post, yes Arnold is a female haha

And as far as breeding her, I only have her for now but my friend has a pastel males, 2 het albino males and a het lavendar. I haven't decided which one we are going to try for as of yet, she's not quite heavy enough to me.

Thanks guys and girls for your input tho! I'll definitely post an update after I talk to the owners of the shop Monday!

You need to take some closer pictures outside.

Dave