Mystic vs. Mojave

So can anyone explain the major differences between a mystic and a mojave. I cannot tell the difference if my life depended on it. The only thing i saw is the mystics have darker black spots than mojaves. I want to make sure I buy a mystic rather than a mojave.

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Originally Posted by firemandan26

I cannot tell the difference if my life depended on it. I want to make sure I buy a mystic rather than a mojave.

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This is why you want to buy from someone with a good reputation :gj:
Make sure to check Fauana BOI and on this site to see if the person is reputable and inquire about the seller especially if you can't find the person already listed as a good guy or bad guy.

Thayer are so close in resemblance that even a reputable seller can make a mistake. I want to see if anyone on here not a true difference.

I'd like to hear this too! Anyone out there working with Mystics? I don't know much about them and haven't seen one in person. Info please :)

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Originally Posted by Cendalla

I'd like to hear this too! Anyone out there working with Mystics? I don't know much about them and haven't seen one in person. Info please :)

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There are a few people here working with mystics, Tim Bailey, Louis Kirkland, Sean at Exotics By Nature to name a few.

Here is a pic of my breeder Mystic male

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...c/mystic01.jpg

and here is a picture of a Mojave for reference

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...e/mojave06.jpg

Here is a Mojave and my Mystic (Can you tell them apart? ;) )

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/P6180005.jpg

I don't have a mystic but I do have a phantom which is the same or similar. I've heard people say that the phantom looks like a low grade mojave. I disagree, I think the golds aren't as bright but I love the darker deeper color of the phantom. Buy from someone you trust. Mine came from Mike Wilbanks, I highly recommend him...:gj:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

There are a few people here working with mystics, Tim Bailey, Louis Kirkland, Sean at Exotics By Nature to name a few.

Here is a Mojave and my Mystic (Can you tell them apart? ;) )

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/P6180005.jpg

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Thanks for the great pics Deborah. Will you post a pic of their bellies for comparison?

Beautiful pics. I see the difference but it is subtle. I 2nd the belly shot request:)

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

I don't have a mystic but I do have a phantom which is the same or similar. I've heard people say that the phantom looks like a low grade mojave. I disagree, I think the golds aren't as bright but I love the darker deeper color of the phantom. Buy from someone you trust. Mine came from Mike Wilbanks, I highly recommend him...:gj:

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I would def agree with you about the Phantom. I will buy from EBN, he's a good guy!

there is almost no difference between the two I would love to see how its keyed to answer other then buy from a reputable dealer I would love to know characteristics to look for as well as other things to eye myself on.

Lance

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Originally Posted by lance

there is almost no difference between the two I would love to see how its keyed to answer other then buy from a reputable dealer I would love to know characteristics to look for as well as other things to eye myself on.

Lance

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That's what I want to hear as well. Thanks lance!

This is an excellent question. How would you know what is what when you breed a mojave to a mystic?

I was thinking about this as I examined a recently hatched clutch from my mojave to a normal and was noticing how much variation there was just among my mojaves.

The biggest difference I have seen between the two mutations is that the Mystics seem to lack any green hues. Mojaves have a greenish tint, and the Mystics lack it. Mystics seem to have a "blacker" black and are more two toned. Their primary color is somewhere between straw colored and yellow, but the snake stays two toned (I hope that makes sense).

Where I have had the problems come in is when I breed a Mystic to a Mojave. Sometimes the babies seem to grow closer to one another in appearance, making the Mystics a bit harder to pick out. I am currently sitting on two animals that I can't decide what they are. They were both from Mystic to Mojave breedings.

Lastly, it is my theory (as I don't have knowledge of it being done yet) that when Mystic Potions start breeding, it is going to be even more difficult to distinguish what the babies are.

I hope that helped some people, and if anyone has any more specific questions, please let me know and I will do my best to help.

I will post some pics in the next week or two of some Mystics I have coming out. They look a bit different, and I believe it may be because they are third generation animals. BUt as the project gets worked further, I think we will start to see Mystics and/or Phantoms that will be more easily distinguishable.

That's what I have noticed, they seem darker in the black areas. It's got to be so hard to breed them with Mojave!

Hi, im not sure how old this post is but.. I'd like to share a clutch i produced this year from a mystic X mojave pairing.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...javemystic.jpg

The mystic is on the left and mojave on right. The blushing and greenish brown hue on the mojave is lacking on the mystic. I hope it helps as a visual when side by side as babies.

On a note when buying from a NON trusted name or breeder.. Mystics and NORMALS do tend to confuse even those whom breed these morphs, so IF you are planning on buying a mystic please dont buy it from a homebrewed breeder unless you KNOW he/she is reputable. I'd spend the extra and purchase it from a well known breeder. Ive been breeding for near 10 years and got confused at first, i dont breed morph to normal unless its a clear visual.

Hope it helps.

ON another note, here is a really good comparison between NORMAL to MYSTIC, can you tell the difference??
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...sticnormal.jpg
IF you picked the one on the right as a mystic your right.. BUT lighter normals especially ones that come in your clutch of normal X mystic that are reduced pattern can sometimes give you a run for your money. Happy herping!

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Originally Posted by ksen1

ON another note, here is a really good comparison between NORMAL to MYSTIC, can you tell the difference??
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...sticnormal.jpg
IF you picked the one on the right as a mystic your right.. BUT lighter normals especially ones that come in your clutch of normal X mystic that are reduced pattern can sometimes give you a run for your money. Happy herping!

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They both look normal to me.
These are my mystics. My mojo looks nothin like them.
http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/44ad5381.jpg

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Originally Posted by ksen1

ON another note, here is a really good comparison between NORMAL to MYSTIC, can you tell the difference??
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...sticnormal.jpg
IF you picked the one on the right as a mystic your right.. BUT lighter normals especially ones that come in your clutch of normal X mystic that are reduced pattern can sometimes give you a run for your money. Happy herping!

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I'm not seeing Mystic in either animal pictured. At least not like any I've seen or produced.

The one mystic I held at a show looked an awful lot like a normal. The colors on him just looked a little lighter than usual.

Heres my Phantom locking female mojave. He stands out since shes in shed

Phantoms and Mystics can range to Bright mojo colors to DARK colors that will throw off the most trained eye.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...17251070_n.jpg

I did see a post somewhere that stated the belly of Mystic vs. Mojave was clearly different. the photo depicted the wide clear belly that you would expect for a Mojave and yet on the Mystic the pattern\coloration wrapped under.
Not sure how accurate that is.
Will try to track it down.

Ok so what is this??? These pics are about 4 months old. He is 450g range and even darker more black to him now.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/IMAG0095.jpg

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ve11-21-11.jpg

Sorry computer coppied wrong pic here is the right first one.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a.../11-2-11-1.jpg

My Pastel Phantom looks nothing like a Pastave. The yellows are brighter and the blacks darker. I agree in the pic of the Mystic to Normal that they both look normal.

My Pastel Phantom:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/IMG_0849.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/IMG_0853.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01146.jpg

I guess this shows that mixing even one other gene really amplifies the difference.

I only lurk here, but I want to see a side by side comparison of mojo and mystic/phantom belly patterns. There are currently two active threads here, and one on Fauna, that attempt to clarify this difference. But no side by side belly shots have been posted on any of the threads. Drew me out of lurker mode!

Louis Kirkland posted a mystic belly in post#33 here

It seems like the side by side belly shots will clear up the confusion a bit ?

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Originally Posted by ksen1

ON another note, here is a really good comparison between NORMAL to MYSTIC, can you tell the difference??
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...sticnormal.jpg
IF you picked the one on the right as a mystic your right.. BUT lighter normals especially ones that come in your clutch of normal X mystic that are reduced pattern can sometimes give you a run for your money. Happy herping!

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I guess I lose. My guess was neither is a mystic. I belive that is the general concensus

I know this thread is old, but I was wondering about this and had the same question, so to help everyone else out, I will post a belly shot of my mojave in case anyone looks at this thread and wants to see one. Sorry that it isn't super high quality!

http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps2d14e448.jpg

I know this is an older thread, but it's still a common question.

The easiest way to tell the mystic from the mojave in hatchlings, is belly shots. (Yeah belly shots!)

http://www.nwreptiles.com/images/si2...and-Mystic.png

Click for larger image