Ball considered A "large snake"?

Would you all consider a ball python to be a "Large snake"?

Reason I am asking is I have a hatchling coming to me soon. My wife told a neighbor about it and that neighbor told the management where I live & now I got a notice on the door quoting the rules & a rude note saying if I have broken the rules I will be forced to move.

So here is the rule in question:
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A housepet is defined as a pet that spends it's primary existence within the home. Exotic (Large snakes, Iguanas, poisonous spiders, ferrets, wild, farm animals or potentially dangerous pets are not allowed under any condition. Some examples of other animals which would not be permitted are" pot bellied pigs, goats, peacocks, chickens, rabbits, macaws, or birds of prey, Pitbulls (American Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier, or any relation thereof) are expressly prohibited.
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Now for me I wouldn't consider a ball to be a large snake, large in my eyes is a burmese sized snake. The rule doesnt say "snakes" it says "large snakes" & being a hatchling she will be what? a foot or so. I so need to get my own house sooner than later..

Anyways what do you all think?

I think if my wife would have just kept her big mouth shut I wouldn't be dealing with it. She said that the kids were sure to tell someone & then would be here anyways. I of course can deny the existence of the snake and just hide it. Not like they can walk into my house and search it for a snake.

It really helps to know where you live. I know here in texas it's legal to keep a snake as long as it's not longer than 6ft long. Laws may differ for you.

Tell people where you live and they'll probably be able to help you out

Sorry about that I live in Southern California (Rancho Cucamonga to be exact) I will update my profile with it for the future.

Thanks

Thats why, Its Cali, they have the worst idiotic laws in place for pet ownership I have ever heard and read.

Should of never opened and told ppl where you live that you have snakes. In every uneducated persons head, they think LARGE HUGE MONSTROUS snakes are living next door.

Yeah i tried looking it up but it's so damn convoluted. Thank god i'm not a lawyer. I think the best bet would be to call the California wildlife people and get the answer straight from the source.

I don't think this is a legal issue. My assumption is that this is leased or rented property.

Ball pythons are indeed not considered under anyone's definition to be a large snake.

I would fight on those grounds alone.

im in Texas and my city has ordinances regarding any pythons and boas...i cant have them...but i do have them i just dont tell anyone and as animal control told me, theyd come and check only if they get complaints about them which i dont go parading them like a bafoon in public. Dont display it out in the open and you should be ok but be prepared to be asked to move in the future if they do decide to come look...as landlords they have all the right without your permission for inspections and at some time theyll excercise that right...good luck

Also, ball pythons are hardly dangers. They're one of the most docile snakes around, and they are not venomous. Also, their exclusion of pit bulls is ABSOLUTELY stupid. Is this a lease or rental agreement? Or what?

If this is a rented house or apartment, you have no ground to stand on. Unless the contract lease you signed upon moving in said nothing about large snakes.

Notice must be given in the event the contract changes a bout pet ownership to ALL tenants and not just one individual.

Calling the F&W is not going to do a thing and when on private property.

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Not like they can walk into my house and search it for a snake.

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wrong...:colbert:
having lived in apartments in california i know first hand that management can and will if they deem fit, come into your home. why do you think they always request a copy of the keys of any locks you put in, even if its a lock on a bedroom door. they dont have to ask you for permission or even tell you that they will. if they think you have something there thats not allowed they will come in and although you have the right to not allow them entry that is to them admission of guilt.
theres absolutely no privacy when it comes to renting apartments or anything for that matter.
i HATE apartments. i dont like being so close to other people like that, like my living room is directly adjacent to theirs & only separated by a wall. their noise disturbs you & vise versa...ugh! hate it!
no privacy + no freedom = a whole lotta stress.

Well I think that its not the state laws that are in question here. The state laws can allow your ball python all they want, but if the management of where you live states in their rules, that large snakes are not allowed, then that is what you need to look into. Not state laws. You need to find out from management first as to what they consider large. (Don't tell them how large a ball python gets or that a ball python is what you are getting. They can easily just bend the rule a bit and say "Oh well we consider large to be anything over 4ft" when in reality their idea of large was something over 6ft, a length a ball python rarely gets to) Once they tell you what they consider large, as long as a ball python is smaller than that size, print out a care guide that clearly states the size of a ball python and show them that the snake you are getting is not considered large, even by their rule, and having the snake in your home is not breaking any rules.

It sounds like they kept the rule vague on purpose. I would clarify it before you buy your snake. As for neighbors knowing you are keeping snakes I feel that it is better for them not to know. All it takes is one person to be afraid of snakes making a big fuss and you have a serious problem.

I would put Ball Pythons in the medium snake category, however some of them can be on the big snake list for me. Such as any over 1700 grams. I wish you luck, and you may want to start looking for a new place to live so that you can keep your snake without a hassle.

I would say to call the landlord and ask for clarification. What is their definition of a large snake? Then, based on their definition, you can show them your bp hatchling and they can see for themselves that this is not a "Large" snake...

But, if they say that anything thicker than a corn snake is large, you'll be out of luck...

Yep rental properties suck! We just got an apartment and are moving there in August. Technically the apartment allows for caged animals (they knew about my sisters snakes and didn't have a problem) but as far as cats and dogs go, you are only allowed 3. We have four cats and a dog. We'll see how that goes. We just can't afford to buy a house right now. *Sigh* It would be nice to own a house. No animal rules!

Sorry I should have stated earlier & don't know why I didn't (rage I guess) but I left out an important part. The home is a mobilehome that is in a park. I am the owner of the mobile not the park. The park thinks they can control what goes on inside the house as well as outside. I can totally understand the outside since they own the property & I rent it from them, but I own whats inside or so I thought..

The only reason the neighbor told the management is because she is deathly afraid of snakes & said she would do everything she can to make it so I don't own it. It's not like I will be parading it outside & I think as long as it's inside & not harming anyone I can do whatever I please inside the home.

& ya Cali has some screwed up rules, I drive a truck for a living & it's a constant harrassment when driving.. and well that's another long story I wont get into now. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TimNA

Sorry I should have stated earlier & don't know why I didn't (rage I guess) but I left out an important part. The home is a mobilehome that is in a park. I am the owner of the mobile not the park. The park thinks they can control what goes on inside the house as well as outside. I can totally understand the outside since they own the property & I rent it from them, but I own whats inside or so I thought..

The only reason the neighbor told the management is because she is deathly afraid of snakes & said she would do everything she can to make it so I don't own it. It's not like I will be parading it outside & I think as long as it's inside & not harming anyone I can do whatever I please inside the home.

& ya Cali has some screwed up rules, I drive a truck for a living & it's a constant harrassment when driving.. and well that's another long story I wont get into now. :rolleyes:

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Then by law they cant tell you waht goes on in your house. if you own it and are only paying Rent for the lot, they have no ground to argue on.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

wrong...:colbert:
having lived in apartments in california i know first hand that management can and will if they deem fit, come into your home. why do you think they always request a copy of the keys of any locks you put in, even if its a lock on a bedroom door. they dont have to ask you for permission or even tell you that they will. if they think you have something there thats not allowed they will come in and although you have the right to not allow them entry that is to them admission of guilt.
theres absolutely no privacy when it comes to renting apartments or anything for that matter.
i HATE apartments. i dont like being so close to other people like that, like my living room is directly adjacent to theirs & only separated by a wall. their noise disturbs you & vise versa...ugh! hate it!
no privacy + no freedom = a whole lotta stress.

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FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

Your best bet is to stay cool and collected.
Gather some written professional information (not a whole book, though) that clearly states how docile and non-dangerous Ball Pythons are. You can print out a presentation with a few pictures of people handling adult BP's.

4 to 5 feet long sounds HUGE to some people, but when you are handling a BP that is curled around your arms, this 4 foot snake looks very small indeed.

Be very professional and also lay out that you are a well informed on the proper care and maintenance of reptiles. Explain how you will be housing the reptile and the steps you are taking to make sure there will be no escapes. Acknowledge their concerns and assure them they are unfounded.

Thanks guys/gals. I appreciate all the advice. I am going to calm down then go down and talk with them to find out from them. I will find some info on the snake and print it out and bring with me. If they wont budge I will just say I won't get it but still do and just not let anyone know. Just keeping the wife's big mouth shut will be an issue I think.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

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It might depend on where you live. I know that when I've lived in apartments, the leasing office was to give you at least 24 hour notice before entering your apartment, BUT they did say that in the case of an emergency they were allowed to enter your apartment without notice or without you there. My sister lived at the apartment complex I'm moving to and they came into her apartment while she wasn't there because they were checking for damages since she was moving out and needed to make a list of the things they would need to repair any damages. Now, that I think should be illegal, but they did it anyway. With notice, I can easily hide or move my cats to make it seem I am complying with the rules, but without notice, I could easily get caught with too many cats.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

It might depend on where you live. I know that when I've lived in apartments, the leasing office was to give you at least 24 hour notice before entering your apartment, BUT they did say that in the case of an emergency they were allowed to enter your apartment without notice or without you there. My sister lived at the apartment complex I'm moving to and they came into her apartment while she wasn't there because they were checking for damages since she was moving out and needed to make a list of the things they would need to repair any damages. Now, that I think should be illegal, but they did it anyway. With notice, I can easily hide or move my cats to make it seem I am complying with the rules, but without notice, I could easily get caught with too many cats.

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Your examples are the exception of moving out, and emergencies. But to randomly walk in someones house its against the law no matter what state you live in.

Even given notice and your not there and they walk in, its breaking and entering. Someone has to be there when they enter for legality reasons. And if they walked in your apt when no one was there just cause they notified you then you are a victim to them.

I really think that if the snake is in the house nothing can be said unless to start taking it outside.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

wrong...:colbert:
having lived in apartments in california i know first hand that management can and will if they deem fit, come into your home. why do you think they always request a copy of the keys of any locks you put in, even if its a lock on a bedroom door. they dont have to ask you for permission or even tell you that they will. if they think you have something there thats not allowed they will come in and although you have the right to not allow them entry that is to them admission of guilt.
theres absolutely no privacy when it comes to renting apartments or anything for that matter.
i HATE apartments. i dont like being so close to other people like that, like my living room is directly adjacent to theirs & only separated by a wall. their noise disturbs you & vise versa...ugh! hate it!
no privacy + no freedom = a whole lotta stress.

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Just because you rent, it does not mean you have to give up your rights.
http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/obje...4/138/160/FAQ/

If your municipality has laws stating you can not own reptiles, I don't think condoning breaking laws should be encouraged on a public site. Or if you have a written contract with your landlord stating you can not own reptiles, you should not breach the contract as you agreed to the contract terms in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Chimera Reptiles

Just because you rent, it does not mean you have to give up your rights.
http://www.nolo.com/article.cfm/obje...4/138/160/FAQ/

If your municipality has laws stating you can not own reptiles, I don't think condoning breaking laws should be encouraged on a public site. Or if you have a written contract with your landlord stating you can not own reptiles, you should not breach the contract as you agreed to the contract in the first place.

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This situation is different as the OP owns their mobile home. But its placed on the LL property and paying Lot Rent. By law they can still own pets that are house bound.

But Dogs and cats can be restricted to certain breeds and extra per month on rent if they choose to have them.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Your examples are the exception of moving out, and emergencies. But to randomly walk in someones house its against the law no matter what state you live in.

Even given notice and your not there and they walk in, its breaking and entering. Someone has to be there when they enter for legality reasons. And if they walked in your apt when no one was there just cause they notified you then you are a victim to them.

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Not sure where you're getting your info. Maybe it's in the state you live in. But here in GA, the property owners have the right to inspect the property at any time without notice whether you are there or not. It's explicitly been in every lease I have ever signed.

I have never had that happen though. The only time someone has come in while I wasn't at home was for maintenance issues.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Not sure where you're getting your info. Maybe it's in the state you live in. But here in GA, the property owners have the right to inspect the property at any time without notice whether you are there or not. It's explicitly been in every lease I have ever signed.

I have never had that happen though. The only time someone has come in while I wasn't at home was for maintenance issues.

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talk to the courts then. Its breaking and entering if they do not have an emergency to be in there.

I for one if someone just walked into my house un announced and i dont know who they are,bet your ass they will be staring at the end of a barrel.

Re read the law when it comes to Land Lords. Emergencies are the only exception they have the right to walk into someones house. Just cause they OWN that property dont give them the legal right to walk in. Not without eviction notice or warrant accompanied by Police to escort them in.

Heres your GA LL Rights.

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GEORGIA:
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None. In absence of statute, following recommendations are made on basis of common sense and good manners.
Entry without consent


Yes, provided reasonable notice of time and place given or landlord reasonably believes tenant has abandoned premises.
Emergency


May enter without notice provided notice impractical.
Notice


Reasonable, minimum 24 hours, more if feasible, without notice if tenant present and agrees.
Days and times


Normal business hours, 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m., M – F, unless tenant agrees otherwise.
Reasons


Emergency; necessary or agreed repairs, alterations, or redecorations; exhibit property to potential tenants, buyers, workmen, mortgagees, etc.;
Remedy on refusal




Misc.



Remarks






Entry in the absence of a statutory procedure.

A landlord has no inherent right to enter his tenant’s dwelling unit. The essence of the lease is that it transfers the right of occupancy from the landlord to the tenant. This right of occupancy is what the tenant pays for when he pays his rent. In connection with this right is an implied or explicit covenant of quiet enjoyment of the premises, which binds the landlord to leave the tenant to hold the premises in peace for the term for which the premises are let to him.

In the absence of a statute, which most states have, permitting the landlord a right to enter under specified circumstances, the parties may contract to confer this right on the landlord as a condition of tenancy. Keep in mind, also, that there may be rules pertaining to a landlord’s right to enter the dwelling unit related to rent control, if the landlord’s property is covered by it.

For the sake of retention of one’s tenants and the avoidance of strife during tenancy, the keys to exercise of the right to entry are as follows. 1. Enter as infrequently as possible. 2. Always give ample notice and, if possible, allow rescheduling of the entry at least once to accommodate the tenant. 3. Always enter with a clearly defined objective in mind, and notify the tenant of it unless there is a strong reason not to do so.

A tenant must recognize that the landlord has entrusted a serious portion of his net worth to him for use as his residence. Even if there are no obvious repairs, it is important for a landlord to view his property from time to time, say, twice a year, perhaps to do occasional routine maintenance that might not be obvious, or even just to ensure that there are no small problems that threaten to become large ones if not tended to early on. The covenant of quiet enjoyment is meant to protect a tenant’s right to quiet enjoyment of the benefit of the rental agreement, not to enforce a landlord’s neglect of his property.

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Makes me SO GLAD I rent a house (well, a room in a house) and my landlord and roommates really don't care what pets I have. In fact, they think my snakes are really cool.

It's not like you're going to be taking your snake for walks, or even have it outside all that much. In the whole time I've had my snakes I've only taken Loki outside two or three times, and Satin's only been out once. State that if your Ball isn't in it's tank, it'll be in your hands. Snakes are not free-roaming pets in the slightest, and just because a neighbor IN AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE HOUSE has a phobia shouldn't be reason for you to not have a snake. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Not sure where you're getting your info. Maybe it's in the state you live in. But here in GA, the property owners have the right to inspect the property at any time without notice whether you are there or not. It's explicitly been in every lease I have ever signed.

I have never had that happen though. The only time someone has come in while I wasn't at home was for maintenance issues.

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That is the thing about a lease...never sign anything you are not happy with. My husband is a lease negotiator and he made a new version of the lease, with terms that he approved. The landlord accepted the new terms, and now nobody can come in without our permission. Otherwise, you are signing your rights away.

If the landlord entered your house without consent that did not involve some type of emergency ie: broken water pipe, fire...But just to snoop around for his own satisfaction. It would not be a break and entering charge(burglary), it would be an unlawful entry charge and is punishable by law.

I agree with Rich, if you own your home but pay for the land, they have no right to tell you what you can have, unless it is roaming around outside like a dog.

I also agree in that it is law to give notice before entering into someones home. Every apartment I have lived in, they have to give a notice, or if it is an emergency, they try to call me first.

If you signed leases saying they can come in whenever they want, you need to find new landlords!

Which is why I never let just any ol'body in my residence know. Not to mention not everyone's comfortable with snakes within a 100m radius of them. No uncool neighbours, no management, just friends.

A small update..

I went to the office & talked to the woman, she said that she is aware that is says "large snakes" but it really means "all snakes" I told her well it states "Large snakes" that in no ways shape or form does it say "All snakes"

So anyways,

She said that she would ask the corporate office to define "large snakes" but she was told no snakes are allowed. I think that I will be able to win this arguement because the agreement that I signed clearly states large snakes not all snakes.

She said she should know by the end of the day so hopefully I will update this again today.

Thank you all for the advice, comments, help.

Tim

Yeah, I think if you signed an agreement, it is a legally binding contract.

But, if they don't want snakes, they could just say nothing over 12 inches and then you would be out of luck...

You own the house, they can NOT tell you what you can and cant keep in there. They cant come in the house unless you abandon it since its YOUR PROPERTY.

If they try anything take them to court since snakes are not a cat or dog damaging the grass.

This is a very touchy subject and this is were the tenant has to do his due diligence.
This example is for here in Ontario and concerns dogs, but some states may have something similar concerning other types of pets.
A signed contract(lease) that states no dogs has absolutely no value in the courts eyes and you can not be evicted if you choose to bring a dog in. Even if you bring the dog into the home months/years after the fact, as long as the dog is not causing any undue hardship.
It's called "PETS AND "NO PETS CLAUSES":
http://www.ontariotenants.ca/law/law.phtml#Q6
Q6: The landlord says I must either move out or get rid of my pet; Do I?

A6: Only if the pet is dangerous, causes allergic reactions or causes problems for other tenants or the landlord, must you get rid of your pet or consider moving elsewhere as per Landlord application to terminate tenancy based on animals.

Even if you signed a lease with a "no pets" clause, if the pet is not a problem for anybody they can not enforce it; such no pets clauses are invalid under the law.

You do not have to move or get rid of the pet unless the Board issues a written order to do so.
14. A provision in a tenancy agreement prohibiting the presence of animals in or about the residential complex is void. 2006, c. 17, s. 14.

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But, if they don't want snakes, they could just say nothing over 12 inches and then you would be out of luck...

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That is true. I guess size can be interpted by people in many different ways. My view of large would be something 5ft+ but that is me, someone could say 4ft+ or like you said even over 12inches.

I told my wife I really don't care what they say about it, I am to the point that I am just going to keep her, they come in my house they better have a sheriff with them with a search warrant. My wife who is really is against me getting the snake even said that they will never know about it if we just don't say anything. (funny because this all started because of her):rage:

Now don't get me wrong, I am a very law abiding person, I am the type of person that will do everything by the book. I will do it the right way so I don't get stung later but, this is just ridiculous if you think about it.

There are a few people with pitbulls here & they have been told several times they cant keep the dogs but still have them. The manager knocks on the door the dog goes crazy, barking, & the people say your not allowed to have that dog, the owner says what dog? The people say the dog that just barked. Then the owner of the dog says I'm sorry I have no dog here then closes the door. The people know the dog is there but don't do anything even though it does say no pitbulls.

How are they honestly going to know there is a snake in my house? it makes no loud noises, doesnt need to go for a walk, I can put it in a tub and stick it somewhere & people would never even know a snake would be in a plastic tub. The only way would be if someone *cough, cough* my wife tells someone lol. My kids are already warned that if they tell anyone they would be in the hot seat for a long long time.

Sadly I still have a few more years in this hell hole till I have enough saved to get a house with some land hopefully not in California..

all they need to do is give 24 hour notice before entry into residence in california ..... renting blows

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That is true. I guess size can be interpted by people in many different ways. My view of large would be something 5ft+ but that is me, someone could say 4ft+ or like you said even over 12inches.

I told my wife I really don't care what they say about it, I am to the point that I am just going to keep her, they come in my house they better have a sheriff with them with a search warrant. My wife who is really is against me getting the snake even said that they will never know about it if we just don't say anything. (funny because this all started because of her):rage:

Now don't get me wrong, I am a very law abiding person, I am the type of person that will do everything by the book. I will do it the right way so I don't get stung later but, this is just ridiculous if you think about it.

There are a few people with pitbulls here & they have been told several times they cant keep the dogs but still have them. The manager knocks on the door the dog goes crazy, barking, & the people say your not allowed to have that dog, the owner says what dog? The people say the dog that just barked. Then the owner of the dog says I'm sorry I have no dog here then closes the door. The people know the dog is there but don't do anything even though it does say no pitbulls.

How are they honestly going to know there is a snake in my house? it makes no loud noises, doesnt need to go for a walk, I can put it in a tub and stick it somewhere & people would never even know a snake would be in a plastic tub. The only way would be if someone *cough, cough* my wife tells someone lol. My kids are already warned that if they tell anyone they would be in the hot seat for a long long time.

Sadly I still have a few more years in this hell hole till I have enough saved to get a house with some land hopefully not in California..

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Your NOT breaking the law or the LL policy. You OWN the house therefore you can have snakes in there. The LL im sure has mobile homes he owns in the park that he/she rents to other ppl that he can restrict snakes and others. But not when you legally own the house and are paying the bank for it.

Dont sweat it as they have no ground to walk on here.

Thanks Rich! I appreciate all your replies, it makes me feel better about this situation & that I am in the right.

Again, I think the key part of this is the fact that you own the house and are renting the property it's on so the landlord can come on the land but not in your personnel property. It's like having a gun in the house in a drawer being fine but the minute you start waving it around outside you got problems. I'm not comparing snakes to guns but you know what I mean. How about walking around naked in your being ok but doing it outside is a no no.:D

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

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I wish I would have known this when I was younger. My toilet somehow flooded when I was renting an apartment about 8 years ago and the apartment manager walked right into my apartment, into my bedroom and woke me from my sleep. The flooding had caused water to seep into the apartment below me.

I thought that broke rules on numerous levels, but I was a teenager and didn't care that much. Not that it matters now...

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Originally Posted by lasweetswan

I wish I would have known this when I was younger. My toilet somehow flooded when I was renting an apartment about 8 years ago and the apartment manager walked right into my apartment, into my bedroom and woke me from my sleep. The flooding had caused water to seep into the apartment below me.

I thought that broke rules on numerous levels, but I was a teenager and didn't care that much. Not that it matters now...

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Actually given the LL laws, they ARE permitted to come in when emergencies like that happen. Floods damage property and they need to stop the leak. Same goes for smoke and or fire, its considered an emergency and they can enter no notice.

Any other time would be unlawful

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Originally Posted by TimNA

Would you all consider a ball python to be a "Large snake"?

Reason I am asking is I have a hatchling coming to me soon. My wife told a neighbor about it and that neighbor told the management where I live & now I got a notice on the door quoting the rules & a rude note saying if I have broken the rules I will be forced to move.

So here is the rule in question:
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A housepet is defined as a pet that spends it's primary existence within the home. Exotic (Large snakes, Iguanas, poisonous spiders, ferrets, wild, farm animals or potentially dangerous pets are not allowed under any condition. Some examples of other animals which would not be permitted are" pot bellied pigs, goats, peacocks, chickens, rabbits, macaws, or birds of prey, Pitbulls (American Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier, or any relation thereof) are expressly prohibited.
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Now for me I wouldn't consider a ball to be a large snake, large in my eyes is a burmese sized snake. The rule doesnt say "snakes" it says "large snakes" & being a hatchling she will be what? a foot or so. I so need to get my own house sooner than later..

Anyways what do you all think?

I think if my wife would have just kept her big mouth shut I wouldn't be dealing with it. She said that the kids were sure to tell someone & then would be here anyways. I of course can deny the existence of the snake and just hide it. Not like they can walk into my house and search it for a snake.

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I'll never understand why people can't mind their own d*mn business and have to go tattling about stuff that doesn't concern them.

No, a ball python is not a large snake. Fight it.

I agree the only issue is the fighting whether a ball python is a large snake... they cannot win an argument legally saying they meant no snakes as you specifically signed a document saying no LARGE snakes.... Just start getting your documents in order If your local zoo has a reptile section get the head of the department to sign a statement along the lines of saying a ball is not a large snake..... The more documented support you have the better if the park owner wants to make it a legal issue :gj:

wow i didnt mean to spark a big ol debate over the issues of management entering a rented property with or without the tenants permission. i know my info cuz i've had management of several places flat out tell me that they can and will, if they deem fit, enter the apartment. i've been given the minimum 24 hr notices and ive also had them pop up for random inspections.
i agree however that just cuz they think they can doesnt mean they should.

now timNA - i know you feel its within your rights to own a snake and your most likely right but...the person that snitched to the management said they were gonna do everything in their power to make it so you couldnt have the snake. are you really prepared to go through that cuz the management will take their side over yours if the other tenant raises a big enough fuss.
it sucks. its not fair. i know.
renting a place does not = no rights but sometimes it seems that way.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

wow i didnt mean to spark a big ol debate over the issues of management entering a rented property with or without the tenants permission. i know my info cuz i've had management of several places flat out tell me that they can and will, if they deem fit, enter the apartment. i've been given the minimum 24 hr notices and ive also had them pop up for random inspections.
i agree however that just cuz they think they can doesnt mean they should.

now timNA - i know you feel its within your rights to own a snake and your most likely right but...the person that snitched to the management said they were gonna do everything in their power to make it so you couldnt have the snake. are you really prepared to go through that cuz the management will take their side over yours if the other tenant raises a big enough fuss.
it sucks. its not fair. i know.
renting a place does not = no rights but sometimes it seems that way.

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The OP in NOT renting, he is paying for a home he OWNS. Therefore can have what he wants INSIDE. Dogs and cats are different story but housed and caged animals are his choice not the Lot owners.

All he pays for is the lot his house he owns is sitting on. The LL will not fight it as its money out of his pocket.

Yeah, I honestly doubt these people would be willing to fight it out in court. I would think that with the case of the pitbull they could do it & be in the right in doing so persuing a legal case, but they don't & it's been at least 2yrs. I think they will try to intimidate me, threaten me etc but they know they wont really do anything about it.

The funny thing is the one who snitched is like a grandma to me.. She & I get a long very well so it's odd she would go there first instead of asking me about it or voicing her concerns. It's not like she will be around the snake, granted she does come over daily but she would have never known it was here. I actually baby sat an adult normal ball here about 12yrs ago for over a year, the woman was here like normal didn't ever know it was here. I actually saw her tonight and talked with her & told her about the previous snake she was shocked. I told her she never knew & it never hurt her, scared her or whatever & it would be the same this time around.

I asked the office lady about if she heard from them she said no probably not till Monday or sometime next week. I will just pretend I am not getting it then let things die down a bit & no one will be the wiser I think. Only a few people ever come in my house & I think that # as been reduced by one as of today.

Thanks again everyone! I am new here, and I am really enjoying it here with all the friendly, helpful people.

Tim

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

FALSE. NO ONE is permitted to walk into a apartment or House period with out warrant or unless someone is home.

Just cause a contract is signed and your renting, does not make the management above the law and just walk right into someones home. notice needs be given when its to take place and someone MUST be present to let them in.

Keys are given in the case you lock yourself out of the rented apartment. This gives them access to letting you in and for legal purposes. Eviction notices are done thought the court systems, so they cant walk right in with out legal paperwork stating they can.

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That may be the rules but they are not followed. I lived in an apartment most of my life at many different complexes in Kentucky and as long as they give you 24 hours notice that they will be coming in to inspect or fix something they could come in. However I often found them coming in for other reasons. My mother once woke up from a nap to find the maintenance man in the hallway. They would go in to the apartment to go to the bathroom. A big no, no but it does happen. The worst part is the same complex ended up having a sex offender as a maintenance man. They fired him when they realized but the point is they didn't do proper background investigations prior to giving the guy a key to all the units (over 100 units). All I can say as I am glad to no longer have to rent.

From my experiance, and in MHO . Balls are cnsidered as a medium sized snake. And far from dangerous. A small snake is the lines of a garter, or northern brown snakes, which max at about 18 inc. Balls and the likes in the under 6foot range are med. Those larger are large snakes. But when it comes to the lease issue, you may be held to interpretation of the lease agent. And if they feel that it is a "large" snake you may be out of room to fight.

Good luck and hope all goes well. Remember that a cool head and clear thoughts usualy speak louder then speaking out of anger.