banana?

I was looking at some BP's on a German website and they are selling really low priced Banana ball pythons. But the thing is... they all look like this:
http://www.ms-reptilien.de/images/500x/11ban377of.jpg


shouldn't a banana look more like the ones over here: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/banana-ball/

That doesn't look like any banana i've seen that must be what they are calling it for whatever reason

Yes. It might be something else that they call banana though. Kind of like in Europe they have tigers but they arn't ench deserts.

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Yes. It might be something else that they call banana though. Kind of like in Europe they have tigers but they arn't ench deserts.

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yeah on the info of one of them they say its the 'european version' of a banana...
Tough i think you shouldn't call it a banana then :) where's the creativity??? :D

Yeah, I remember there being a genetic-reduced pattern sort of critter that some folks were calling "banana." I think it was mainly in Europe. If I'm thinking of the right thing, it can actually make some pretty cool combos (then again, I love the reduced-pattern stuff :P ). Definitely not as screaming as the coral glow / banana, though.

Edit: Also, I could be totally making this up, but if I recall correctly they were named concurrently and independently, and developed for awhile before the originators became aware of the "American version" of the banana. So, like the "hidden gene woma," the name is probably just gonna have to stick ...

You could be right Serpent_Nirvana, cause the site I saw the pics on is pretty reliable. That's the reason i found this odd.

If it is so, does anybody have pictures of combo's of this 'european' banana ball?
I'm starting to get really curious now :D

Asked the breeder, he said:

so far we just had Banana Lessers. They was bright yellow Lessers, bit like
Woma Lessers.
This year I bred that Lesser Banana back to the Banana. Eggs incubating.
Will post it when hatched.
Also had that Banana to Tiger (reduced pattern) balls and all got Bananas /
reduced pattern.

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

Yes. It might be something else that they call banana though. Kind of like in Europe they have tigers but they arn't ench deserts.

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There were tigers in the states long before the enchi/desert combo came around. Also, I was under the impression the European banana was called that before the whitesmoke/coral glow got tagged with the banana name.

it looks like an orange dream.

I can't stand that the "Tiger" that is just a banded or whatever it is is called that, I mean, It's a reduced pattern snake and that's it. The hobby as a whole has decided that a Tiger is a enchi x desert, so that other morph should just get another name... is it even really a morph? There are so many other names that we can choose for these things, why are we already doubling up the names? I mean... if we can go as crazy as "Casper ugly moo moo pants" i'm sure we can come up with proper names for these "other" snakes that pretty much lost their name to higher profile animals.

Raphy,

While I can somewhat agree with what your saying about it being silly to call one line of reduced/banded balls tigers, the Jolliff tigers were around for years before the desert mutation was discovered, proven, then combined with enchi to make the new tigers. It doesn't really seem fair to me that the original tigers essentially have had their name usurped, especially considering the length of time that name had been established. Just because people might not consider that particular mutation all too significant doesn't really seem a good enough reason for it to have to give up its name to whatever designer mutation comes along that some people think deserve it more. Just like you said, there are so many other names that we can choose for them - why take a name that already belongs to another ball python mutation?

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Originally Posted by thomasK

yeah on the info of one of them they say its the 'european version' of a banana...
Tough i think you shouldn't call it a banana then :) where's the creativity??? :D

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Just a bit of food for thought. Stefan has been bringing in similar looking balls for quite some time. I remember seeing one of Stefan's Banana balls in Daytona in 2003. The first Banana ball that is the expensive snake that is most peoples desire right now was not bought by Will Slough until 2005. I don't think it has anything to do with creativity.

Just my .02,

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Originally Posted by Russ Lawson

Raphy,

While I can somewhat agree with what your saying about it being silly to call one line of reduced/banded balls tigers, the Jolliff tigers were around for years before the desert mutation was discovered, proven, then combined with enchi to make the new tigers. It doesn't really seem fair to me that the original tigers essentially have had their name usurped, especially considering the length of time that name had been established. Just because people might not consider that particular mutation all too significant doesn't really seem a good enough reason for it to have to give up its name to whatever designer mutation comes along that some people think deserve it more. Just like you said, there are so many other names that we can choose for them - why take a name that already belongs to another ball python mutation?

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See I never said it was fair, as we all know sometimes life just isn't fair. The name "Tiger" has been stolen by the enchi x desert and the hobby as a whole has accepted that name as such. The other "tiger" in my opinion should just be called genetic banded since every post on it has to disclose that anyways because most people that search for tiger are in fact looking for the desert cross. So again, fair? No. Fact? Yup! We already have a genetic stripe name so what's wrong with genetic banded? Instead of "Tiger: joliff line genetic banded" Or "tiger: joliff line reduced pattern"

Personally I worry less about the name and more about what it will do for my collection. They could have called it the "One eyed one horned flying purple people eater" and it wouldn't matter. That's like people getting all upset because they get confused with ghost, hypo, true ghost, Desert ghost Deserts. Do your research before you buy anything and for get the name..

It's only one shop in Germany (ms-reptilien) that thinks he can choose names for every dinker he sells.
Too bad because he is idd calling it banana, tiger etc...
He has his own lines of woba, harlequin, fefe balls, stripes etc. I'm afraid not all genetically proven.

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Originally Posted by MAballs

There are so many other names that we can choose for these things, why are we already doubling up the names?

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My guess is that people are making it more difficult then it should be...Why not just call a enchi x desert what it really is, a enchi x desert?

There's two "banana's"...the USA banana and the EU "Germany" banana.

Two completely different morphs all together....kind of like the Puma.

MATTI is correct on his naming convention about the animals he brings in. He usually names them from the areas where they came from. seeing the EU banana in person (at his shop).....it's somewhat of a reduced pattern/spider/woma type of morph with a clean belly....it's been proven by him and other breeders.

anything that is unusual...usually gets a name slapped to it.

Pitoon

Every time i search for "Graphite ball python" I get a link to some dorky site calling a very granite & blackback couple of snakes that otherwise look pretty 'normal'. It happens, and really the only thing is just to know that people want cool sounding names, rather than accurate ones. Calling a dinker granite looking thing a graphite probably gets their site more hits because most herpers like me are looking for the Ben Seigel white and grey ones!

I don't know, whatever. People are going to do what they want! Especially since there is motivation to draw people into your site with flashy names XD