LAWL Apparently we're all sadists.

At least, according to this kid on my school bus. I asked him if he wanted to watch my snakes eat yesterday (I broadcast feeding on Livestream every weekend), and after a short conversation about how busy he was, he responded, "From your first comment, I thought you were a sadist." I asked him to explain himself, and he never answered.

I asked him again today, and the conversation went like this (these are all DIRECT quotes):
Me: Hey you.
Him: can't talk. busy.
Me: No no, you can take a minute to answer a question.
Him: uh, no, I can't, i'm extremely busy and you're not gonna tell me what i can and cannot waste my time on
Me: No. But YOU can't insult me and then not explain yourself. I let you get away with it last night. And how the hell is answering my question "wasting your time"? You're ruder than you admit.
Him: by calling you a sadist? get over yourself i was obviously kidding
though taking pleasure out of one species consuming another species live is sadistic
Me: Excuse me? I do NOT feed my snakes live prey, first of all. Second, I enjoy watching my snakes being snakes. I'm sorry.
Him: why did you want me to look at them than? sharing the consumption of a species with me?
Me: Third, snakes don't consume their prey live. They kill it first.
Him: that is sadistic, and you cannot deny that
Me: Yes, I can.
Him: whether they kill it or not, if you take pleasure out of it, it is sadism
Me: I thought maybe, seeing that you go to a biology school, you might enjoy seeing what an evolutionary wonder they are.
Him: i dont go to a biology school. I go to a mathematics, science, and technology school. of which those sciences are mainly environmental. not biological
Me: Biology falls under science, dear.
Him: dear?
Me: Yes, dear.
Him: whatever. nevertheless you thought wrong. and frankly i don't care if i offended you. whether i said im sorry or not your opinion of me would not change
Me: So next time, do yourself a favor. Say "Sorry, no thanks, that's not my thing" instead of calling me a sadist. Save yourself the trouble.
Well now, no, it won't. But if you hadn't said it in the first place, I'd think a hell of a lot higher of you.
Him: look, if you took serious offense to calling you a sadist, im sorry
maybe you shouldn't start off with something that clearly makes you sound like one. and just an fyi. i don't curse, have sex, do drugs, kill insects for the fun
i save them. im the person who goes around and saves them from the pool. im a devout catholic. community service is #1 in my life. well, #2 after God. there is nothing about me that makes me a bad person
Me: I did not say you were a bad person.
Him: and if something so insignificant like the joke i said last night bothers you and puts me on the same level as drug dealers, pot smokers, deliquants, and other sc*m, than you clearly have no sense of right or wrong
Me: Woah woah woah. When the hell did I compare you to drug dealers?
Him: you didn't but you said you thought less of me
Me: And I think a hell of a lot less of drug dealers.
Him: whatever. do you take pleasure in your snakes eating process? yes or no
Me: Yes. But not because I enjoy the rat's death. THAT would be sadism. I enjoy seeing the snakes doing what they were designed to do. The same way I would enjoy seeing birds fly.
Him: whatever. it is totally different
Me: It is not.
Him: it is. like i said you have WASTED my time. don't talk to me, i am busy
Me: No, it's not. Because I don't enjoy pit bulls tearing each other apart in a ring.
Him: "Want to watch snakes eat?" wanting someone to share in the same apparent euphoria that you felt about snakes eating. share it with someone else next time. i don't care about your snakes
Me: There are nicer ways to tell me that the first time.
Him: oh well, ill know for the next time someone is crazy enough to want to share that sort of thing with me
Me: What the hell? Why are you personally attacking me like this?
Btw, scum is not a curse. It's okay, you can type it out.
Him: it is ignorant, however
Me: What? That doesn't even make sense. Scum is a film found on the bottom of still bodies of water and a solid coating of soap found in bathtubs.
He never responded to that.

So yeah. It may be petty to post this here, but I wanted to ask you guys what you thought of this. Note, I've never had a legitimate problem with this kid before, but being the in-your-face, down-your-throat bible thumper he is, he thinks that I'm Satan incarnate or hellspawn or something because I'm an atheist. So he looks down on me (then again, he looks down on everyone who disagrees with him). I've done nothing but be nice to him ever since I met him, even tolerated him trying to convert me, but now, forget it.

Anyway, yep, all of us who watch our snakes eat, either out of fascination or to make sure they don't get hurt, we're all sadists now. Just thought I should let you guys know in case you want to see a therapist about it or something.

And PLEASE note, I have NO problem with Catholics or Catholicism or any other religious practice. This is not about religion or anything like that. It's about an ignorant individual insulting me for my fascination with a necessary part of nature.

I hope this doesn't get deleted, cuz I find it hilarious.

Im not alone!!!! i've been dealing with people for a long time now including PETA who some how found out where i live and that i own reptiles and came to my doorstep telling me about how im cruel and when i closed the door on them they came back the next day ( i didnt even open the door ). and of course i've had fundementalistd say im sadistic too.

haha thats the kind of stuff my own mother says about me owning reptiles. Forget them i say. Herps rule! lol :D

i'm sorry for this ramble but heres my :2cent:

i was raised catholic and my mom has the "if your not catholic your evil and if its not a catholic church its bad." mentality. took her forever to deal with me choosing to leave the church when i moved out on my own at 18. now 12 yrs later and almost 3 yrs into me and my kids being presbyterians here in south carolina, my mom has finally accepted that we're in a good place cuz we've told her of all the good stuff going on and how we're active with church activities. she still doesnt understand why i left the church even though i've explained it numerous times.
i can say that i honestly believe, and someone of the faith correct me if my wrong here, that catholics hate snakes cuz the devil appeared as one in the bible and we all know he's the villain there.
i've not told my parents i own a snake cuz they'd have a cow about it and i dont wanna deal with that.
i'm sorry you had such a rough time with that guy but please understand that he is right on his point that you should take care of who you approach about the snake issue,especially the feeding topic, it's a very sensitive issue & some people are just not as enthusiastic about it and most of them cant help it if they've been taught that way.
no i'm not saying him calling you a sadist is right but i can also see how he thinks watching a snake eat is sadistic, it makes sense, though his way of expressing that wasnt very nice.
i watch my snake eat simply to make sure nothing bad happens since she eats live and it does pull at my heart a tiny bit to hear a rat scream. i wish i could feed f/t but my snake has refused freshly dead rats so i imagine she'll refuse f/t too. (i used to buy multiple rats for the month but because of the rats dying mysteriously i've been buying just 1 on feeding day).
i do not take pleasure in watching the rats die but i know my snake is not gonna go to the store for herself, lol. she depends on me to provide her meals and as a pet owner it is my responsibility to do that.
i got a "reaction" from my fellow classmates in sunday morning class. we were discussing how we thought prejudice was effecting our lives or those around us and i mentioned how i thought it was wrong how reptile owners are looked down on and to test them i revealed that i owned a snake. i heard the under the breath gasps and was like "really you guys? have i just jumped out from some secret closet? did i not look like a reptile owner? if i dare say so i've just been prejudiced, here just now, by you. i dont fit the profile so hopefully you see now that not all who own reptiles look like crazy people and that not all crazy people own reptiles. you cant mix zebras and horses in the same herd and say they are the same animal."
they thought about it for a second and then realized i was right and apologized for getting caught up in the moment with their automatic responses.

ok i'm done.

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...and just an fyi. i don't curse, have sex, do drugs, kill insects for the fun
i save them. im the person who goes around and saves them from the pool. im a devout catholic. community service is #1 in my life. well, #2 after God. there is nothing about me that makes me a bad person

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Heh...this is the part of the conversation that really made me roll my eyes and shake my head. Clearly the boy has missed the whole point of his own beliefs. But whatever. His problem, not mine.

I would have asked him if he took pleasure in eating hamburger or steak or chicken or fish. Wouldn't that make him sadistic? And if he claimed to be a vegetarian, I would have asked him how much pleasure he took from eating foods that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent animals during its planting and harvesting. The self-righteous little.....twit...might never eat again. :P

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Originally Posted by JLC

Heh...this is the part of the conversation that really made me roll my eyes and shake my head. Clearly the boy has missed the whole point of his own beliefs. But whatever. His problem, not mine.

I would have asked him if he took pleasure in eating hamburger or steak or chicken or fish. Wouldn't that make him sadistic? And if he claimed to be a vegetarian, I would have asked him how much pleasure he took from eating foods that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent animals during its planting and harvesting. The self-righteous little.....twit...might never eat again. :P

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Judy, you are my hero. I use that same argument on people. I have even said "I monitor my snakes killing their prey so I can make sure it happens quickly and safely. How many instances of slaughterhouses being inhumane have you seen? Want a hamburger?"

Boy do I know how you feel.. Rick's (my husband above) aunt went completely off the deep end on us when she saw we had a snake, started literally preaching about it being a satanic animal. Wouldn't listen to a word we said and was getting really nasty about it.. I was in shock, course, I wasn't polite in my responses by the end of the discussion.. Some people are just rude and too thick headed to sway away from their ignorant beliefs.. (not implying her religious beliefs are ignorant here, just that her looking down and scolding us is ignorant, wanted to clear that up)

Circle of life, as my mom always says.

It's hard to conversate with people who don't fully understand how us hobbyists are. I thought it was quite rude for him to talk down upon something that's vitally important to our snakes' well-being. It's one thing to disagree upon what another person does, but to talk down on you like he did is ignorant.

I completely understand if someone dislikes snakes or the thought of sacrificing a rodent's life to feed a snake. Once someone starts talking smack about what I love, I defend it. Don't care who it is, even if it's a family member.

There will always be people who don't agree with the hobby. But rather than arguing, try educating. The more you argue, it could go on forever and forever.

The only creatures capable of sadism are humans. I don't know any snake keeper or feeder rodent breeder whom enjoys causing suffering to rats. All I know of make great effort to provide a healthy life for the rodents and euthanizing is done in a quick painless method. Personally I check the frozen rats very careful when I get some from a new supplier. I have once found evidence of damage before death occurred (broken leg that was very bloody then frozen) I have never purchased from that supplier again nor will I. The quality of the life and death matters to me. I think I can say that all the keepers I know feel the same. In that precludes Sadism.

The young fellow who held you conversation made up his mind and used the first word that seem to describe what he was feeling the word kinda fit in his mind. I think he wanted to say you keep the company of snakes so you must be in league with the devil. That would get him laughed at by his friends and fellows so substitute sadism. There is no point in arguing with someone who has a closed mind it is a waste of time. I find it sad to see a closed mind in youth but the damage is done and all that is left is to morn. Fanatical belief in anything has caused more woe in our world than almost anything else I can think of.

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Originally Posted by karabear24

Boy do I know how you feel.. Rick's (my husband above) aunt went completely off the deep end on us when she saw we had a snake, started literally preaching about it being a satanic animal. Wouldn't listen to a word we said and was getting really nasty about it.. I was in shock, course, I wasn't polite in my responses by the end of the discussion.. Some people are just rude and too thick headed to sway away from their ignorant beliefs.. (not implying her religious beliefs are ignorant here, just that her looking down and scolding us is ignorant, wanted to clear that up)

Circle of life, as my mom always says.

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A satanic animal?

I figure that God made the snake and chose what the snake's menu was going to be. Personally, I think that He did us a big favor. All through history rodents have spread disease to mankind and taken the food we need to survive.

Snakes have no doubt saved millions of human lives by keeping the rodent population from expanding unchecked. My own father was terrified of snakes but he wouldn't kill them or allow anyone else to harm one on our property because he knew that they benefited our farm. Our barn had several resident black rat snakes who grew immense in the course of performing their rat patrol duties. One of them looked to be well over 7 feet long.

should have said unless your a vegetarian i wouldnt say anything

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

I figure that God made the snake and chose what the snake's menu was going to be. Personally, I think that He did us a big favor. All through history rodents have spread disease to mankind and taken the food we need to survive.

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Indeed!! :gj: :gj: :gj:

Oh, I agree whole heartedly.. They were made for a reason.. Just like with spiders, I'm terrified of them, however, I don't like messing with them if they have a web or something outside our door or whatnot, because they keep the skeetos and bug population in this apartment down. Specially when we live in the basement apartment and its bug galore.. The creepy little things benefit us..

Same with snakes, they keep the rat/mouse population down.. Just because we choose to have them as a pet, doesn't mean its alright to starve them. They can't fend for themselves, we sure as ....... can't feed them hotdogs, or carrots, so what are we to do? Circle of life.. I respect it.

Furthermore! :P I would rather keep as many snakes as I can handle comfortably, and keep them safe and happy, healthy and fed. I understand they do okay in the wild, but they still get injured and sick.. It makes me feel like I'm doing -something- good if I can look at my snake and see her grow and be healthy. She isn't injured because I keep an eye on her when she feeds.

In nature they do fine, but they do even finer (go me) in captivity..

my .2

I love how people think snakes are evil because they eat rodents, but personally I think they are the better of a lot of animals. Snakes eat their prey whole, they don't leave anything behind like some animals do. I've never heard of a snake eating its prey alive, like some big cats will do. And unlike house cats, an extremely common well accept pet, they don't play with their food. If I was a mouse and had to choose between death by cat and death by snake, I would choose snake every time.

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Originally Posted by Kinra

I love how people think snakes are evil because they eat rodents, but personally I think they are the better of a lot of animals. Snakes eat their prey whole, they don't leave anything behind like some animals do. I've never heard of a snake eating its prey alive, like some big cats will do. And unlike house cats, an extremely common well accept pet, they don't play with their food. If I was a mouse and had to choose between death by cat and death by snake, I would choose snake every time.

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I use the house cat example all the time too.

I'd invite him to my church...my pastor has had several snakes, some beautiful ones too! Lets just say, it would be an interesting conversation!

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Originally Posted by Quacking-Terror

I use the house cat example all the time too.

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Now there is an evil animal! We had several who would catch mice, eat half, then leave the uneaten half beside your bed. Even step on half of a mouse with your bare feet on a cold morning? :O

I have. :rage:

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

i can say that i honestly believe, and someone of the faith correct me if my wrong here, that catholics hate snakes cuz the devil appeared as one in the bible and we all know he's the villain there.

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I'm not saying Catholics hate snakes because the devil appeared as one. I'm saying HE hates snakes because the devil appeared as one. I've got a close friend who is also a devout Catholic, and though she was nervous (not afraid, however) around snakes at first, she's warming up to mine quickly and now wants one of her own. So no, this kid is not meant to be a posterchild for the religion, I'm just theorizing his logic.

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Originally Posted by mommanessy247

i'm sorry you had such a rough time with that guy but please understand that he is right on his point that you should take care of who you approach about the snake issue,especially the feeding topic, it's a very sensitive issue & some people are just not as enthusiastic about it and most of them cant help it if they've been taught that way.
no i'm not saying him calling you a sadist is right but i can also see how he thinks watching a snake eat is sadistic, it makes sense, though his way of expressing that wasnt very nice.

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I am careful. I specifically choose who to invite and who not to invite. I thought that maybe, since he was so enveloped in science, he might find it fascinating, like I do. And other people who were not interested responded with a simple "No, sorry. I don't have the stomach for it." rather than his nasty comments. I respect that he does not want to see it, but that's why I asked instead of just giving him the link and letting him unwittingly click it.

And no, it doesn't make sense. The definition of a sadist is a person who enjoys inflicting pain. The rat is dead, and therefore incapable of feeling pain, so I am not a sadist. And if I had to feed live, I would still not be a sadist, because I would enjoy watching the snake be a snake, not watching the rat die.


ALSO an update: I got on the bus today to find him in the seat behind mine. I was the mature individual and didn't say anything, but he said that he was there to apologize to me. Apparently, his definition of "apologize" is different than the rest of the world, because he said it was my fault for riling him up while he was busy. So basically, "Sorry you were wrong." Then this:
Him: You need to learn to take a joke.
Me: You need to learn to convey emotion across text better.
Him: I don't NEED to do anything.
Me: Neither do I.
Other person (talking to him): You need to breathe.
Him: I do need to breathe. Actually, I don't. I could stop right now.
Me (with a big smile and an obviously joking tone): Please do.
Him: SEE!? You want me to stop breathing! You ARE a sadist!
Me: You'd be stopping yourself from breathing. So you'd be a masochist, I'd be an innocent bystander who happened to be laughing.

He got up and left after the kids that sit in that area (most are my friends) ousted him. Apparently, he expects me to take a joke online over text with no smileys or anything to let me know he was joking, but he can't take one in person with a smile and a vocal intonation. So yeah. We'll see where things go from here.

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Originally Posted by SpartaDog

At least, according to this kid on my school bus. I asked him if he wanted to watch my snakes eat yesterday (I broadcast feeding on Livestream every weekend), and after a short conversation about how busy he was, he responded, "From your first comment, I thought you were a sadist." I asked him to explain himself, and he never answered.

I asked him again today, and the conversation went like this (these are all DIRECT quotes):
Me: Hey you.
Him: can't talk. busy.
Me: No no, you can take a minute to answer a question.
Him: uh, no, I can't, i'm extremely busy and you're not gonna tell me what i can and cannot waste my time on
Me: No. But YOU can't insult me and then not explain yourself. I let you get away with it last night. And how the hell is answering my question "wasting your time"? You're ruder than you admit.
Him: by calling you a sadist? get over yourself i was obviously kidding
though taking pleasure out of one species consuming another species live is sadistic
Me: Excuse me? I do NOT feed my snakes live prey, first of all. Second, I enjoy watching my snakes being snakes. I'm sorry.
Him: why did you want me to look at them than? sharing the consumption of a species with me?
Me: Third, snakes don't consume their prey live. They kill it first.
Him: that is sadistic, and you cannot deny that
Me: Yes, I can.
Him: whether they kill it or not, if you take pleasure out of it, it is sadism
Me: I thought maybe, seeing that you go to a biology school, you might enjoy seeing what an evolutionary wonder they are.
Him: i dont go to a biology school. I go to a mathematics, science, and technology school. of which those sciences are mainly environmental. not biological
Me: Biology falls under science, dear.
Him: dear?
Me: Yes, dear.
Him: whatever. nevertheless you thought wrong. and frankly i don't care if i offended you. whether i said im sorry or not your opinion of me would not change
Me: So next time, do yourself a favor. Say "Sorry, no thanks, that's not my thing" instead of calling me a sadist. Save yourself the trouble.
Well now, no, it won't. But if you hadn't said it in the first place, I'd think a hell of a lot higher of you.
Him: look, if you took serious offense to calling you a sadist, im sorry
maybe you shouldn't start off with something that clearly makes you sound like one. and just an fyi. i don't curse, have sex, do drugs, kill insects for the fun
i save them. im the person who goes around and saves them from the pool. im a devout catholic. community service is #1 in my life. well, #2 after God. there is nothing about me that makes me a bad person
Me: I did not say you were a bad person.
Him: and if something so insignificant like the joke i said last night bothers you and puts me on the same level as drug dealers, pot smokers, deliquants, and other sc*m, than you clearly have no sense of right or wrong
Me: Woah woah woah. When the hell did I compare you to drug dealers?
Him: you didn't but you said you thought less of me
Me: And I think a hell of a lot less of drug dealers.
Him: whatever. do you take pleasure in your snakes eating process? yes or no
Me: Yes. But not because I enjoy the rat's death. THAT would be sadism. I enjoy seeing the snakes doing what they were designed to do. The same way I would enjoy seeing birds fly.
Him: whatever. it is totally different
Me: It is not.
Him: it is. like i said you have WASTED my time. don't talk to me, i am busy
Me: No, it's not. Because I don't enjoy pit bulls tearing each other apart in a ring.
Him: "Want to watch snakes eat?" wanting someone to share in the same apparent euphoria that you felt about snakes eating. share it with someone else next time. i don't care about your snakes
Me: There are nicer ways to tell me that the first time.
Him: oh well, ill know for the next time someone is crazy enough to want to share that sort of thing with me
Me: What the hell? Why are you personally attacking me like this?
Btw, scum is not a curse. It's okay, you can type it out.
Him: it is ignorant, however
Me: What? That doesn't even make sense. Scum is a film found on the bottom of still bodies of water and a solid coating of soap found in bathtubs.
He never responded to that.

So yeah. It may be petty to post this here, but I wanted to ask you guys what you thought of this. Note, I've never had a legitimate problem with this kid before, but being the in-your-face, down-your-throat bible thumper he is, he thinks that I'm Satan incarnate or hellspawn or something because I'm an atheist. So he looks down on me (then again, he looks down on everyone who disagrees with him). I've done nothing but be nice to him ever since I met him, even tolerated him trying to convert me, but now, forget it.

Anyway, yep, all of us who watch our snakes eat, either out of fascination or to make sure they don't get hurt, we're all sadists now. Just thought I should let you guys know in case you want to see a therapist about it or something.

And PLEASE note, I have NO problem with Catholics or Catholicism or any other religious practice. This is not about religion or anything like that. It's about an ignorant individual insulting me for my fascination with a necessary part of nature.

I hope this doesn't get deleted, cuz I find it hilarious.

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So a person who is routinely rude and closed minded was rude and close minded towards you and your curious about what happened?

Mike

The OP sounds very young. This is a life lesson on how to deal with people. Others are entitled to their own opinions. it's a free country however you are just as entitled to disagree. No matter what you do, what you believe, how you act and how you treat other people not everyone is going to agree with you or even like you. You need to learn to say BITE ME! and move on.

In this instance that's what I would have done, some people are beyond trying to reason with and your never gonna change them.

The thing I can't stand though is when people use god to explain their hatred and ignorance, they just haven't realized yet that that's not how god works.

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Originally Posted by karabear24

Oh, I agree whole heartedly.. They were made for a reason.. Just like with spiders, I'm terrified of them, however, I don't like messing with them if they have a web or something outside our door or whatnot, because they keep the skeetos and bug population in this apartment down. Specially when we live in the basement apartment and its bug galore.. The creepy little things benefit us..

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I'm the same way... can't STAND spiders, but unless they're crawling right for me (inside), I pretty much leave them alone. There are spiderwebs galore on the stairwell outside of my apartment, and whenever I start to get creeped out, I just think "at least they're keeping bugs away." :oops:

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Same with snakes, they keep the rat/mouse population down.. Just because we choose to have them as a pet, doesn't mean its alright to starve them. They can't fend for themselves, we sure as ....... can't feed them hotdogs, or carrots, so what are we to do? Circle of life.. I respect it.

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There's actually a guy on my corn snake forum who's fed his snakes COOKED CHICKEN... everyone thinks he's crazy, but he is convinced this will be the next big thing. Ummmm, yeah. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ed4281

The OP sounds very young. This is a life lesson on how to deal with people. Others are entitled to their own opinions. it's a free country however you are just as entitled to disagree. No matter what you do, what you believe, how you act and how you treat other people not everyone is going to agree with you or even like you. You need to learn to say BITE ME! and move on.

In this instance that's what I would have done, some people are beyond trying to reason with and your never gonna change them.

The thing I can't stand though is when people use god to explain their hatred and ignorance, they just haven't realized yet that that's not how god works.

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yes. Yes. YES. Life lesson = let it go. Religion is too touchy of a subject for so many that it's completely not worth the time to discuss. Just avoid all conversations with him regarding religion as you will not convince him of your thoughts and he will not convince you of his.

This kid has a right to be Catholic. I have a right to be Atheist (although in the deep south, it's not exactly welcomed). And we all have a right to enjoy watching our snakes be snakes. :snake:

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Originally Posted by Lolo76

There's actually a guy on my corn snake forum who's fed his snakes COOKED CHICKEN... everyone thinks he's crazy, but he is convinced this will be the next big thing. Ummmm, yeah. :rolleyes:

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From what I understood.. snakes can't digest anything cooked? ?

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Originally Posted by EAllen84

From what I understood.. snakes can't digest anything cooked? ?

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I don't know if they can or can't. Lizards sure can--my nile and my tegus were quite fond of cooked meat. What I do know is that snakes need all of the prey, their guts, organs, brains, and bones. And what is the point of feeding cooked rats anyways? Don't the poor snakes suffer enough indignity by having to eat ratsicles?

I'm not sadistic enough to want to feed cooked rats to my snakes. And even if I were, I'm not masochistic enough to want to cook for them.

Even setting religion aside its still impossible to argue an intelligent informed point or opinion when all the other party will respond with is 'its not the same.'

How is it not the same thing? An animal needs to eat a healthy diet to survive. Snake=rodants
lions=gazells
cats=anything that moves

Why is caring for a pet reptile a nefarious crime? Why is us eating cows and chickens not the same thing. I've had the same problem. But I eventually learned to roll my eyes and tune out the stupidity. Otherwise you get caught in a loop.

Okay, guys.

Yes, I am young. I am 17. I know I have a lot to learn about a lot of things. I dealt with it the way I saw fit to deal with it. Had it just been some random person, I would have told him to go screw himself, but since I deal with him in person on a daily basis, and since I know he'd shove a surrender in my face every single day, so I defended myself.

I handled it the way I wanted to handle it, and as of right now, the whole thing is over. I didn't learn any "life lessons" because each person needs to be dealt with differently. Anything I learned from dealing with him can only be used when dealing with him, and since he's graduating in two weeks, it's not really worth it anyway.

I did not attack his religion at all and never have. I've made it clear to him that I'm an atheist and Catholicism does not make sense to me, but I have never attacked him for being Catholic. In fact, he did quite the opposite and told me I was going to hell on several occasions. He's entitled to his own opinion and religion, but he is not entitled to personally insult me like that with no plausible cause. THAT is the issue here, not that he doesn't like snakes or watching them eat or anything.

He called me a sadist, a waste of his time, and crazy, and accused me of taking pleasure in an animal's pain, of having no sense of right and wrong, and of comparing him to drug dealers in order to make himself the victim. I don't know about you guys, but I am NOT the type to just roll over and take that kind of attack.

I would remind him how hypocritical and terrible his religion is and was in the past and how ignorant he is to think he is better than others. I thought it was a sin to judge people and call them names? lol what a fool of a human.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Browning

Im not alone!!!! i've been dealing with people for a long time now including PETA who some how found out where i live and that i own reptiles and came to my doorstep telling me about how im cruel and when i closed the door on them they came back the next day ( i didnt even open the door ). and of course i've had fundementalistd say im sadistic too.

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I wish someone claiming to be from PETA would come to my door and try to preach to me..... I'd spartan kick the SOB right off my front porch.... :taz:

http://resr.3dn.ru/Files/53546_1.jpg

Huh, I wonder if this kid is a vegetarian? I know I've "MMMMmmmmmm!!"ed a few burgers in my life....does that make me a sadist because I enjoy eating the **** out of a big juicy burger?
:D:D:rolleyes::D:D

Honestly, there's no point in arguing anything with people like that. You can't speak logic to morons :rolleyes:

I would have said something about religious hypocrisy, but then he's the victim and I'm the bad guy. It's like pulling the race card. You just don't do it.

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Originally Posted by karabear24

Boy do I know how you feel.. Rick's (my husband above) aunt went completely off the deep end on us when she saw we had a snake, started literally preaching about it being a satanic animal.

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Now that's one of the reasons why I keep em :P Satan's incarnation in my bedroom muhahahahahaha!!! :D

But those people are really ignorant, half of them are so in to there religion they don't even know what it goes about anymore....
I live in Belgium so you must have heared about what goes on over here with the priests and small children. The last inch of faith I had in me was pressed out of me due to the propagators of the faith... (sorry about this for al the catholics, i mean no harm towards youre faith, I think everybody has the right to believe in what they want! and really think you should believe in what you want!)

But really, just ignore him.....

Edit: Btw, I would have said something like: what about the 10 commandments??? Thou shall not judge?!?

One of my arguments for the christians who believe that is this... The great flood. The ark.. If they were truly evil, Noah would not have put them on the ark. As the story goes, 2 of every animal was saved from the flood. Noah had them all get on the ark where they lived until the waters receded. Sooooo, the hard core christians should be reminded of that.. This all supposedly took place LONG after the Adam and Eve days. If it's true, then snakes are gods creatures and were saved just like all the others were ;) so there!


Sent by some psychotic female who claims to be from this planet.

I hate how most Catholics say that forgiveness and equality is a great thing, but at the same time they say that if you're not Catholic you're evil and devil etc. There you can see how high they think of their religion and other people.
Well even Islamic ppl don't say such a [BS], and everyone thinks that they are some monsters or something. What a load of cr*p!

P.S.: I have nothing against religious people, but when they are NOT living their lives according to Bible, and still say what a "devout Christians" they are, really shows me what kind of people some of them really are inside.

Every creature on this Earth was put here for a reason...Nuff said but because of people like Him I don't advertise that I keep Herps. To many people out there now trying to change the laws so no since in adding fuel to the fire...jmo...

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Every creature on this Earth was put here for a reason...Nuff said but because of people like Him I don't advertise that I keep Herps. To many people out there now trying to change the laws so no since in adding fuel to the fire...jmo...

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I'm not the kind of person to hide who I am just so people accept me. I'm one of those "This is me, take it or leave it" people. I don't care who thinks what of me, but there's a difference between not liking someone and falsely accusing them.