Question about multiple sire's

when people mate more than one male to one female, what are they striving for?, like spider and pinstripe bred to a pastel female. is it possible for the clutch to be fathered by both, as in; pastels, spiders, pins, bees, lemon blasts...or is it possible to double father an egg, as in; spinner blasts????

i hope i am making sense:confused:

please help

There is no way for a double father to happen in one egg (one baby).

You can have multiple fathers in the clutch (Lemonblasts and Bumblebees), but you cannot have multiple combinations like your Spinnerblast theory.

gotcha, i had a feeling someone would say exactly wat you said, i wasnt 100% on the subject so i figured i'd ask

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Originally Posted by GR8DANE

when people mate more than one male to one female, what are they striving for?

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I think what you're striving for is that exceedingly long-shot hope that you'll get the "best" mega-combo from each sire, and/or are being kinda indecisive. For example, I'll probably put my lesser girl to my spinner and bumblebee males this year, because I can't quite decide if I'd rather shoot for queenbees or lesser spinners, and there is a teeny part of my brain that's gonna hope that somehow the most potent of both males' sperm gets through to give me one of each. :rolleyes: :please: However, I am NOT hoping that I get a lesser spinner blast because it just isn't possible*. Only one of the two sires can fertilize any given egg, as Heather said.

Another reason you may want to use more than one male is if you want to cover your bases in case your first-choice male doesn't quite get the job done.


* Would it be possible, though, to get a chimera of both sires? :confused: By which I mean that each egg would be independently fertilized, then fuse?

I don't understand why people do multiple sire's. I would think that it would just increase your chances of hatching normals. The only way I would ever do it is if the female was a super of some sort.

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Originally Posted by ed4281

I don't understand why people do multiple sire's. I would think that it would just increase your chances of hatching normals. The only way I would ever do it is if the female was a super of some sort.

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just the opposite is going to happen.
the more males that produce viable eggs, the less normals you will get.

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Originally Posted by ed4281

I don't understand why people do multiple sire's. I would think that it would just increase your chances of hatching normals. The only way I would ever do it is if the female was a super of some sort.

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I did it with my pastel female to a spider, pin, pastel. I hit great odds.

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Originally Posted by GR8DANE

when people mate more than one male to one female, what are they striving for?

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the best possible chance of the female laying eggs, if one male doesn't get the job done, others will.

and your odds of normals don't change if they are all heterozygous morphs, like in his above example spider n pin x pastel, assuming both males have an equal chance of fertilizing eggs your odds would be

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

* Would it be possible, though, to get a chimera of both sires? :confused: By which I mean that each egg would be independently fertilized, then fuse?

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from what I understand, no, since theory is chimeras are twins inside an egg that merge and only 1 sperm can fertilize one egg. If they are caused by different egg fusing... I guess it possible but your looking at a bigger long shot than breeding a quad het to a quad het. lol

In addition to the already mentioned reason of increasing your odds of good eggs (assuming any single male might have fertility issues) I've done it in the hopes of getting a split clutch with different combos that would otherwise take two years. I want to see what the mojave chocolate cinnamon looks like and also what the mojave super chocolate looks like so I put both a chocolate male and a cinnamon male with my chocolate mojave girl. Unfortunately my female is small and I'll be lucky to get any eggs much less the perfect split clutch hitting the odds with each of two fathers. But that brings up another possible reason, might a borderline female be more likely to produce after more breeding?

i take it this is not a good idea to do with a recessive gene x dominant gene or codom... ex a male lesser and a male clown to my female mojave...... :weirdface

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

i take it this is not a good idea to do with a recessive gene x dominant gene or codom... ex a male lesser and a male clown to my female mojave...... :weirdface

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No, it would not be a good idea because you would not know if any were het Clown! The Mojave and Normal babies may or may not be Het Clown so you could only sell them as Mojaves and normals and if they are Het Clown, you would lose a lot of money!

Like everyone has said it helps to make sure your female will produce in case one male doesn't come through. Sometimes you do get lucky as I paired my spider female to my lemon blast and mojave males last year and hit both a spinner blast and spider mojave in the clutch...

i know i know .. i kid i kid haha i got my projects that i cannot tamper with :colbert:

Yeah, the rule thumb is one sperm to one egg ;) :rolleye2:

Of course its been known to happen not quite so often in humans, for a person to have male genes from 2 different fathers but again thats like a friggin rarety. Usually its from double partner to a double egg ovulation which couldve caused twins but for some reason the 2nd twin didnt make it but fused in a way with the 1st twin. Ive only heard of this happening once in my lifetime but who knows how rare or often it actually happens. Its usually found out when said person is sick and test are done.

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

i take it this is not a good idea to do with a recessive gene x dominant gene or codom... ex a male lesser and a male clown to my female mojave...... :weirdface

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Originally Posted by seeya205

No, it would not be a good idea because you would not know if any were het Clown! The Mojave and Normal babies may or may not be Het Clown so you could only sell them as Mojaves and normals and if they are Het Clown, you would lose a lot of money!

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One way you can do this is if you have one visual recessive father and one super codom father, and whatever genes the female carries, they can't match the codom father. For example, a male clown and a male super lesser bred to a female pastel. You'll get lessers, lesser pastels, het clowns, and pastels het clown, which will make it obvious which father was which.