I know they are not technically giants, but they are close enough.

Hey guys,
I know its been awhile since ive been on here poking around. I hope to be getting back into the swing of things, poppin' up here and there a little more. ANYWAYS,
Just figured id snap a few pics of my female SD retic. My pair came from Travis Kubes, and are the real deal 100% pure. Not some dwarf local.
Dont worry, they get enough food. I just cant get them to grow!! lol

Without further adieu....
My 08' 0.1 SD retic "Genesis"

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e..._KILLA/026.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e..._KILLA/018.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e..._KILLA/014.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e..._KILLA/013.jpg

(The day i received her)
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/IMG_0836.jpg

Maybe no the best photos in the world, but they show her size a little. I have fairly large hands and arms, so it may make them look a tad smaller.

Thanks guys.

She is awefully pretty!

She is really nice. I love her pattern. Thanks for sharing.

Very cool. I can't wait to see them get bigger.....:D

Thanks everyone!

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Originally Posted by dragonboy4578

Very cool. I can't wait to see them get bigger.....:D

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They wont be getting too much larger. SDs stay quite small. They will get much thicker, and a tad bit longer, but still micro compared to mainlands.

:) lol

I'm really contemplating a true SD. A guy in Oregon just south of us has some imports he's been working with since 1999. I'm so tempted to pickup a female. Thanks for sharing the pics!

Regards,

B

Very cute! I have a pair also. Did the breeder tell you the locale? I'd be sure to get that info and keep it for future knowledge. In case you breed them in the future. There are really only 3 SD locales and 2 of them are the very tiny ones that look like yours. People who breed the true SDs and preserving the line ate becoming harder to find.

Yours is adorable! I wish I could handle my male that way but he's a little crazy lol.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Very cute! I have a pair also. Did the breeder tell you the locale? I'd be sure to get that info and keep it for future knowledge. In case you breed them in the future. There are really only 3 SD locales and 2 of them are the very tiny ones that look like yours. People who breed the true SDs and preserving the line ate becoming harder to find.

Yours is adorable! I wish I could handle my male that way but he's a little crazy lol.

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The exact island the original super dwarf retics came from was never disclosed, which is why they were given the name super dwarves (as opposed to an island name). Other insular locales like Kalatoa had super dwarf added to the name after this because they stay similar sizes. I'm pretty sure Travis Kubes is working with animals from the original super dwarf line, so there's no way to properly tag an island name to them.

Greg Bryant is also working with them and I purchased one of the original imports from him which came in 5 years ago. In reality, it's impossible to guarantee exactly which island that any original SD came from since they were gathered from more than one place, but only one name was generally put on the papers.. The Kayaudi, and Kaolotoa (SP?) are believed to be where the smallest SDs came from. Honey Island locale coming in second as far as size. All others are dwarf.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Very cute! I have a pair also. Did the breeder tell you the locale? I'd be sure to get that info and keep it for future knowledge. In case you breed them in the future. There are really only 3 SD locales and 2 of them are the very tiny ones that look like yours. People who breed the true SDs and preserving the line ate becoming harder to find.

Yours is adorable! I wish I could handle my male that way but he's a little crazy lol.

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Originally Posted by Russ Lawson

The exact island the original super dwarf retics came from was never disclosed, which is why they were given the name super dwarves (as opposed to an island name). Other insular locales like Kalatoa had super dwarf added to the name after this because they stay similar sizes. I'm pretty sure Travis Kubes is working with animals from the original super dwarf line, so there's no way to properly tag an island name to them.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Greg Bryant is also working with them and I purchased one of the original imports from him which came in 5 years ago. In reality, it's impossible to guarantee exactly which island that any original SD came from since they were gathered from more than one place, but only one name was generally put on the papers.. The Kayaudi, and Kaolotoa (SP?) are believed to be where the smallest SDs came from. Honey Island locale coming in second as far as size. All others are dwarf.

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Actually Russ is 100% correct on this.
Kayaudi, Kaolotoa, and the Honey Islands are all dwarf retics also.
Pure SDs islands have never been disclosed. Yes all three of those localities stay extremely small, but are not technically SDs.
Travis has been working with PURE SDs. Which is why i went with his. Ive seen so many people selling local retics as pure SD lines, when they are just the smaller dwarf locals.

Thank you Russ for posting that, because many people do not know that.
Thank you Foschi, my male is just as sweet as she is. They usually try to eat me the second they see me, then are just quite flighty, but mellow down within the first minute or so of handling.

Thanks again for the comments.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

Actually Russ is 100% correct on this.
Kayaudi, Kaolotoa, and the Honey Islands are all dwarf retics also.
Pure SDs islands have never been disclosed. Yes all three of those localities stay extremely small, but are not technically SDs.
Travis has been working with PURE SDs. Which is why i went with his. Ive seen so many people selling local retics as pure SD lines, when they are just the smaller dwarf locals.

Thank you Russ for posting that, because many people do not know that.
Thank you Foschi, my male is just as sweet as she is. They usually try to eat me the second they see me, then are just quite flighty, but mellow down within the first minute or so of handling.

Thanks again for the comments.

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Then I guess my little 6 yr old SD which is 5 lbs and 5.5ft couldn't possibly be an SD since he came in as a Kaolotoa...

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Then I guess my little 6 yr old SD which is 5 lbs and 5.5ft couldn't possibly be an SD since he came in as a Kaolotoa...

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If he is a Kaolotoa, then no, he is not a true SD.
Once again, there are a few extremely small locals, but even then, they are considered dwarfs.
There is only ONE locality of SD retics, and it has never been disclosed.

Its not like we are bashing anyone or anything, just saying how it is...
no harm meant.

love sds i want one

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Originally Posted by johnlebel97

love sds i want one

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They are amazing little guys. All the great things about a Retic (ie, feeding response) but with none of the size. haha Mine have calmed down with regular handling, and ive only been bitten a few times by these guys. They are more out to musk and get away then be bite.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

If he is a Kaolotoa, then no, he is not a true SD.
Once again, there are a few extremely small locals, but even then, they are considered dwarfs.
There is only ONE locality of SD retics, and it has never been disclosed.

Its not like we are bashing anyone or anything, just saying how it is...
no harm meant.

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I know you're not bashing. I'm trying to actually show you the loop holes in the facts of what you have said. You are right, and wrong. Since the actual locale of any SD retic can not be known for sure (maybe with the exception of the honey island) then you can see the dilemma. I tend to trust the word of long time retic breeders like Greg and Bob but even they will tell you that the people who collected the original animals did often collect various animals from multiple places. They would then be exported in groups to the USA and other countries with paperwork stating only one origin. The only clues to actual origin come from when these native collectors realized the small ones were in demand. They then attempted to collect the smallest examples from certain islands and give better info.

So you are correct. The point I'm making is that no one can know for sure if the Kaolotoa and Kayaudi are the origins of the true SDs but it is more likely considering that the jampeas were proven right away to get fairly large and the honey islands were proven to get a foot or 2 larger than the smallest SDs.

The info on my own true SD is an example of what said above. One of the original imports but the origin of export may or may not be where that particular snake actually came from.

In the interest of preserving the species, I think it's a good idea to try to get and keep this info. What better way to prove the true origin? If everyone was able to do this, we might actually be able to solve this mystery. My male is an obvious true SD. I'm happy to know the info that was on the paperwork accompanying the group he was exported with. Wether or not it's the actual island he came from, it still gives me some info to work with. Make sense?

She's absolutely beautiful. I love her iridescent scales and I've always been a fan of the Reticulated patterns.
I assume, like Ball Pythons, a female SD Retic would grow larger than a male. What is the average length and weight that a true male SD Retic would reach?

I plan to get one of these someday. Beautiful snake.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I know you're not bashing. I'm trying to actually show you the loop holes in the facts of what you have said. You are right, and wrong. Since the actual locale of any SD retic can not be known for sure (maybe with the exception of the honey island) then you can see the dilemma. I tend to trust the word of long time retic breeders like Greg and Bob but even they will tell you that the people who collected the original animals did often collect various animals from multiple places. They would then be exported in groups to the USA and other countries with paperwork stating only one origin. The only clues to actual origin come from when these native collectors realized the small ones were in demand. They then attempted to collect the smallest examples from certain islands and give better info.

So you are correct. The point I'm making is that no one can know for sure if the Kaolotoa and Kayaudi are the origins of the true SDs but it is more likely considering that the jampeas were proven right away to get fairly large and the honey islands were proven to get a foot or 2 larger than the smallest SDs.

The info on my own true SD is an example of what said above. One of the original imports but the origin of export may or may not be where that particular snake actually came from.

In the interest of preserving the species, I think it's a good idea to try to get and keep this info. What better way to prove the true origin? If everyone was able to do this, we might actually be able to solve this mystery. My male is an obvious true SD. I'm happy to know the info that was on the paperwork accompanying the group he was exported with. Wether or not it's the actual island he came from, it still gives me some info to work with. Make sense?

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I do see what you are getting at. The only issues with your statement (similar to mine) is that you dont know exactly where it came from. You purchased yours from a importer, and the paperwork was then "mislabeled" possibly. This is the case for SDs the paperwork is either mislabeled or lacking much info.
I cant tell you whether or not you have a pure SD, i can only verify that mine are 100% pure, and i stand behind that. Not only do i stand behind that, but so does Travis Kubes who i purchased the animals from. The whole situation is pretty muddied up. Size can vary so much, the only true way to tell you have a SD is scale count.

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

She's absolutely beautiful. I love her iridescent scales and I've always been a fan of the Reticulated patterns.
I assume, like Ball Pythons, a female SD Retic would grow larger than a male. What is the average length and weight that a true male SD Retic would reach?

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Yes, you are correct. Females CAN hit around 8 feet and 15 lbs, but that isnt the case most the time. They tend to stay around the 7 foot range mostly.

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Originally Posted by babyknees

I plan to get one of these someday. Beautiful snake.

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Thank you very much. They are one of my favorites in the collection to work with.

I know about using scale count, and the pattern/number of scales on the head to tell a true SD. Problem is, I have been unable to find accurate info on this. Aside from a photo/drawing of different retic locales head scales.

If you know or can find out more info on this and pass it on to me that would be wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

I know about using scale count, and the pattern/number of scales on the head to tell a true SD. Problem is, I have been unable to find accurate info on this. Aside from a photo/drawing of different retic locales head scales.

If you know or can find out more info on this and pass it on to me that would be wonderful.

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Cannot help you there, never had to do it. Ive always knew 100% what i was purchasing, so never had a need to. Ive looked into it a bit, but not super in detailed.

Well, I'm sure my male is a true SD, but considering the known problems with not being able to verify origins, I hope someday I can figure out a definite scale count/pattern on the true SDs. My female however, is a honey island. The reason I like these is the high yellow, almost platinum look they have. At 3 1/2 years of age, she is 6 1/2 ft and about 7 lbs. Narrow bodied.

I'm wondering if they bred, if the honey island SD would pass on that bright coloration to some of the babies.

At the same time, I'm one who is for preserving blood lines. If you breed yours, please keep in touch with me. I'd definitely be interested in a female to go along with my tiny male.

I was under the impression that superdwarves are an actual locale?

Great lookin snake btw.


I heard from a big breeder that SD are Kalatoa.

Beautiful snake! :)

I really like the looks of retics and seeing these snakes that have the look but stay a more easily managed size is really amazing! They look great!

Plus you got that amazing paracord survival bracelet, kudos on that...

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Originally Posted by Ham

I really like the looks of retics and seeing these snakes that have the look but stay a more easily managed size is really amazing! They look great!

Plus you got that amazing paracord survival bracelet, kudos on that...

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Thank you, made it myself. I am somewhat a tactical nerd. haha

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Originally Posted by Slyther83

I was under the impression that superdwarves are an actual locale?

Great lookin snake btw.


I heard from a big breeder that SD are Kalatoa.

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Well, they are a locale, just its a undisclosed locale.
True SDs are not Kalatoa.

There are many small locals, but that doesnt make them SDs.
SDs were given the name because there was no locale name to give them.
They have no locale associated with them, that many people know of.
The people who do know what locale they are, wont give up the info.

Im interested in getting a retic but I dont want one of the monsters lol....what length do these SD retics max out at...and what does SD stand for? please and thanks.

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Originally Posted by JungleCarpet81

Im interested in getting a retic but I dont want one of the monsters lol....what length do these SD retics max out at...and what does SD stand for? please and thanks.

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its super dwarf nevermind lol..But id stil love to know where i can go online to buy one and what length/weight they max out at please

My pair came off of 4+' male and a 5' female. They are tiny. 69g and 48g as hatchlings eating hopper mice. Awesome snakes!

Regards,

B