Super Cinnamon Blue Eyed Lucy?

I have no idea what you would call it, but has one ever been produced? I would imagine it being a grey snake...? I have no idea, lol. I've seen super cinnamon black eyed lucys but not blue eyed.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...uper-cinnamon/
That was the closest I could find, it looks really odd. Would it just be a white snake with black eyes?

prolly a white snake, good question on the eyes. For a really gray snake, I think you want a fire super cinny (is that a mercury?) or a ghost super cinny. With optional pastel.

....geez, I hadn't seen that lesser super cinny. That's cool looking!

I don't know if one has ever been produced, but my guess would be an all white snake because leucism is basically a complete lack of pigment. I don't know about the eyes though, good question!

they have made super pastel super cinnamin snakes but in not sure about a bel super cinnamin?

That's as tough as a Lucy x Ivory

well im confused too but i know the gray color reminds me of a ball python called a Bullet... Not quite as dark as a super cinny (which is one of my fav kinds)

But the other light brown and high white sides completely throw me off lol.

dont take my advice though since im a newbee to collecting, identifying and future breeding

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Originally Posted by loonunit

prolly a white snake, good question on the eyes. For a really gray snake, I think you want a fire super cinny (is that a mercury?) or a ghost super cinny. With optional pastel.

....geez, I hadn't seen that lesser super cinny. That's cool looking!

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I agree, I think it would be an all white snake now that I've thought about it. Jeez, it would be difficult to breed white snakes and sell them because it would be confusing as to what morph it is, like if you bred a pastel butter x butter and got some white snakes. lol

You would call it impossible. You cant have two super genes in the same snake. Whether it be a super cin to a super lesser, or super cin to super mojo you would get cin lessers or cin mojos. Bred together you get a chance of a super of each morph but impossible to get a supersuper. Genetics 101 for all you noobs commenting like it could happen....:colbert:

Either one or the other not both

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Originally Posted by mmateo

You would call it impossible. You cant have two super genes in the same snake. Whether it be a super cin to a super lesser, or super cin to super mojo you would get cin lessers or cin mojos. Bred together you get a chance of a super of each morph but impossible to get a supersuper. Genetics 101 for all you noobs commenting like it could happen....:colbert:

Either one or the other not both

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LMAO @ noobs

Seriously?
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/

Ummm,

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Originally Posted by mmateo

You would call it impossible. You cant have two super genes in the same snake. Whether it be a super cin to a super lesser, or super cin to super mojo you would get cin lessers or cin mojos. Bred together you get a chance of a super of each morph but impossible to get a supersuper. Genetics 101 for all you noobs commenting like it could happen....:colbert:

Either one or the other not both

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You may want to go read that genetics 101 again yourself I'm afraid.

There is absolutely no reason you can't get a BP with multiple homozygous morphs in it unless they are all on the same allele.

If you breed a black pastel lesser (called a black platinum ) to another black platinum you can very definately end up with a super lesser super black pastel.

It would probably look like a super lesser with slight duckbilling but you could definately make it.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Alexandra V

I don't know if one has ever been produced, but my guess would be an all white snake because leucism is basically a complete lack of pigment. I don't know about the eyes though, good question!

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Albinism is a complete lack of pigment. Based solely on recessive genes. In animals and humans, if both parents carry the recessive gene, then the offspring can be albino.. A Leucistic animal is entirely different.

Check this out. Scroll about halfway down for a great explanation on leucism. And a reminder that most of us have been pronouncing the word wrong lol.

http://veterinaryherpetologist.blogspot.com/

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Albinism is a complete lack of pigment. Based solely on recessive genes. In animals and humans, if both parents carry the recessive gene, then the offspring can be albino.. A Leucistic animal is entirely different.

Check this out. Scroll about halfway down for a great explanation on leucism. And a reminder that most of us have been pronouncing the word wrong lol.

http://veterinaryherpetologist.blogspot.com/

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The albino gene is a complete lack of melan pigment.

Well yes, I probably should have added the word melanin but I figured anyone interested would read the report on the link I posted. There is another good conversation about it on a bird forum as well. The details on the different melanins and partial VS all was a bit much for me to want to break down here.

Not too much accurate info on albino VS Leucistic out there but if you know where to look, it's there.

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Originally Posted by mmateo

You would call it impossible. You cant have two super genes in the same snake. Whether it be a super cin to a super lesser, or super cin to super mojo you would get cin lessers or cin mojos. Bred together you get a chance of a super of each morph but impossible to get a supersuper. Genetics 101 for all you noobs commenting like it could happen....:colbert:

Either one or the other not both

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The super pewter has already been produced as well, along with the two other super/super snakes. Super pewter is a super pastel (two pastel genes) and two cinnamon genes. They can, and do, exist.

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Originally Posted by mmateo

You would call it impossible. You cant have two super genes in the same snake. Whether it be a super cin to a super lesser, or super cin to super mojo you would get cin lessers or cin mojos. Bred together you get a chance of a super of each morph but impossible to get a supersuper. Genetics 101 for all you noobs commenting like it could happen....:colbert:

Either one or the other not both

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http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ighlight=clown
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Vincent Russo did the cinnamon lucy. I reckon he can tell its genetic knowing the parent, cause it's identical to a normal lucy
http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f.../CinnLuc08.jpg

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Originally Posted by Quality_Snakes

Vincent Russo did the cinnamon lucy. I reckon he can tell its genetic knowing the parent, cause it's identical to a normal lucy
http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-f.../CinnLuc08.jpg

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Kewl snake but not a double super :)

like i said lol the super pastel super cinny bps are all silver so yeah deffinately possible for a double super morph :)

there's a double lucy blue/black eyed on last john berry's book... but once again not a supercinny involved