My Bp climbing

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very cute. :)

Just wondering.. are you housing those two BPs in one enclosure?

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

Just wondering.. are you housing those two BPs in one enclosure?

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Oh jeez...I didn't even see that... :confused:

Yes.I know I'm not suppose to but I have had them in there with no problem I feed in separate tubs. And when they get a Lil older I'm going to separate them

Well clearly you don't know why your not supposed to, otherwise you wouldn't.....

And tell me u know it all right u ppl on this form have so much to say it is a 75 gal tank and i keep every thing set up right so back off. So ur telling me that all u ppl having a snake in a tube all it's life is good right all they r to u ppl is money in ur pocket breeding them all there life..I take mine out I don't just take them out to put in a different tube to breed... 

it is important for people to respect other's care preferences. But try to take advice on here for what it is worth. You probably see these two snakes "cuddle" at times, thinking it's cute. But unless the species has a reliable trait of being social it usually isn't what it seems. It is probably passive aggressive competition for the sweeter spots in the tank. I don't know your snakes, and have little information on them, but don't take what I say as criticism. There are always exceptions to any rules, and most people on here would rather give you the conventional wisdom and feel safer than tell you something that might hypothetically work. As for these supposed money grubbers... these are the people that are trying to bring this hobby into the next generation with innovation and expertise. They are the ones creating the amazing morphs that we all enjoy and cherish. If anything they should be commended. The care they use for their breeders is perfectly fine. Ball pythons can have large tanks like yours, and they can also be kept in smaller tubs.

Yes u r right About it all but if ur not here seeing how they r then for her to come out like that is wrong. And I asked a breeder out here and I was told it is ok for a Lil it is not a forever setup for them.

@Married, the people here aren't in it 'for the money', they are snake lovers first, breeders second, sellers last. The health and comfort of the snake is important, more important than anything else.

That being said, everything I have read points to housing two BP's together is bad. There are multiple reasons for this, all of which you can find on this site. The people that commented in this thread aren't trying to be rude. Their posts reflected this. They are simply trying to advise you so that you can better care for your snakes. This way, you have them to enjoy for years to come, rather than some terrible thing happening and you losing one, or both, snakes. Heaven forbid that ever happen, but I'm thinking worst case scenario.

Please, even if you don't take the advice presented on this forum and in this thread, please realize that nobody is here to attack you, they are simply trying to help. Even if it makes you uncomfortable, you should at least consider their words.

Thank you for reading this!

Rick

Edit: Looks like nachash beat me to the punch. Very good points. :)

Ok so she wasn't coming off rude I take everything ppl say on here and run with it I have learned a lot but If I was told from a breeder hey I guess I'm wrong it's what ever I will not post on here no more thanx

First, I'm pleased you've learned so much from this site. I've learned a great deal myself. However, I would be alarmed if one isolated incident made you decide to stop posting here. As nacash stated, the posters in this thread are simply going with the generally accepted wisdom of keeping ball pythons. The advice is there for you to take or not to take, that is your decision. You could be the exception to the rule, but people are concerned nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by marriedtothegame

hey I guess I'm wrong it's what ever I will not post on here no more thanx

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please keep posting on here. This isn't a scenario involving right and wrong. We've all had people tell us differently on this forum. Sometimes any of us will take advice given, and sometimes we won't. The reason you should stay on this forum isn't so anyone can set you straight, but it is so you can educate us and others through your experiences, your achievements, and your failures. That is why any of us join forums. We want to have an open and effective dialogue about our hobby. I hope you will continue to offer your own perspective on ball python care.

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Originally Posted by nachash

please keep posting on here. This isn't a scenario involving right and wrong. We've all had people tell us differently on this forum. Sometimes any of us will take advice given, and sometimes we won't. The reason you should stay on this forum isn't so anyone can set you straight, but it is so you can educate us and others through your experiences, your achievements, and your failures. That is why any of us join forums. We want to have an open and effective dialogue about our hobby. I hope you will continue to offer your own perspective on ball python care.

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Very well put! Couldn't have said it better myself. This is why I frequent places like this, there are so many different outlooks on every situation. If I don't like the response one person gave, I can wait a few minutes and see what someone else has to say.

Like nacash said, please don't leave! I would hate to see anyone step away from this site when there is so much to be learned!

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Originally Posted by marriedtothegame

And tell me u know it all right u ppl on this form have so much to say it is a 75 gal tank and i keep every thing set up right so back off. So ur telling me that all u ppl having a snake in a tube all it's life is good right all they r to u ppl is money in ur pocket breeding them all there life..I take mine out I don't just take them out to put in a different tube to breed... 

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Who's assuming what now? I am not a breeder...all of mine are pets and I keep them safely in their own enclosures. I handle mine daily and keep them as pets for me and my son who loves them just as much as me. Without proper quarantine, you are risking your snakes' lives and health. Now if one gets sick, the other will as well. If one had parasites, now the other does too. People don't say these things just because we like to. I would personally LOVE to have all of mine in a nice little snake pile living in my fantasy happy world, but this is reality. As someone else mentioned, what you consider "cuddling" is a dominent gesture. For an unexperienced owner, it's just not safe or ideal for the snakes. But you're clearly going to do whatever you want regardless of what any of us "know it alls" tell you, so why even argue? Anything pretty much anyone posts on here is to help others, not attack. Don't be so quick to become defensive.

Thank u all for ur positive comments.

Do me a favor stay off of my post and we don't have to have this problem thanx

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Originally Posted by marriedtothegame

Do me a favor stay off of my post and we don't have to have this problem thanx

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Are you kidding me? Alright, but for the record I wish you luck in finding things out the hard way like I have had to and a lot of other people have had to. It's not fun, I was just trying to help. And "we" don't have a problem, you do...I was just simply stating that you must not have been informed of the risks of keeping them together. I was leaving work when I posted and didn't have time to link any of the 100 other threads on this same subject with a lot of useful info on them. My intent was not not come off as rude, so I apologize if that's how it seemed.

How rude:o

It goes a long way if your take the time to type out proper sentences with a little bit of proper spelling. With the way you type, I have a hard time believing you take fantastic care of your pets and admit you look as if you have no idea what your doing. I could be more blunt, but if you want to follow the advice of said breeder, by all means. Just remember, most people that get hostile don't really care about your silly reasons or your justifications, they just care about your snakes. In any case I hope it works out for you and that your snakes do very well. Good luck,

Mark

I have to reply about your tub response.. In the wild, BPs spend their lives in a small rodent burrow or in a termite mound. Females rarely venture out if food happens by often enough. Most BPs prefer very small spaces. Tight, enclosed hides that only have one way in.

This is a fact. BPs are a snake that does better in small enclosures their entire lives. Most of us here have BPs that would refuse to eat and literally starve their selves to death if they were moved to a 40 or 50 gallon aquarium. No matter how good the set up is.

They are not boas, burms, retics, corns, rats, etc.. BPs have very different requirements than any other snake and they DO prefer the smallest enclosure possible.

A tub closely mimics its preferred home in the wild. It's dark, warm, humid, and private.

I have large females that are over 2000 grams that would go off feed if I put them in a 41 qt breeding tub even.

The longer you work with these animals, the more of this you will learn. It is one species where it's not considered cruel to keep them in a smaller enclosure. People try to claim that simply because they do not know anything about BPs.

Dude, I'm only on the first page, and my first comment, cut the super defensive insecure angsty reactions. We just want the best for your pets as you do, and there are many many problems which are associated with the housing together. You can rebuke or come up with some kind of constructive argument and present your side of things but not the way youre doing it.

Been on this site a little while and this is by far the friendliest and most helpful site I've ever been on. Don't be to quick to get your back up if someone makes a comment, remember, communication is 50% verbal and 50% non-verbal...it goes way downhill when in text..which is why every written thing from laws to literature is interpreted a million different ways. LGray23 is a regular poster, who always has good information and is always helpful...don't get sour on this site over one perception of one post...this place is a wealth of information...we are all in a constant state of learning and if we share our knowledge, we will learn that much more, that much quicker and not have to reinvent the wheel time and again.
Just my 2 cents

It's an old thread, so the actual picture links are mostly dead, but the posts still explain why it's a bad idea:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...on-cannibalism

Also, while this was actually a boa that ate a BP, the pictures drive home the point:
http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/News/News.htm

Or perhaps Dr. Del's (graphic) image would give you a clearer picture:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=27375&c=3

People on this site aren't trying to get you to spend money for no reason and don't see BP's as little money makers. They offer FREE advice in the interest of the snake. You would be better off if you took an open mind to the advice given instead of starting fights.

There was really no need to fly off the handle like that. People are just looking out for what is the best thing for the animals here. LGray23 made some very good points and it is ok to disagree but there is no need to go off. I personally keep my bp in a tub now. I used to have him in a 20 gallon long tank unitl he went off feed for 43 days. Now that he is in a tub, he is eating for me again and having perfect sheds.

I've found this site to be really helpful, just because the general consensus doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you should go all 12 year old emo and cry about it. Thanx.

OMG I didn't know that BPs could be cannibalistic! Those poor things :(