Do people really buy these??

** Not intended to diss or offend this company **

I'm just looking at videos on youtube, then came upon Underground Reptiles. So, I went to there website to see the types of ball pythons there selling. And everything seems too overpriced. There all normals! No hets or anything. I'm wondering if people really spend $250+ on normals. Not even breed able size.

Link too site: http://www.undergroundreptiles.com/bbball.html

I believe people pay those kinds of prices for those "normals" because of their dinker qualities. Could be genetic, or could just be a really expensive normal. ;) But to answer your question, yes people really do spend $250+ on normals that could possibly prove to be something more. Not practical, in my opinion, but hey, if you have the money, good luck!

Price does seem awful high, but someone will buy them....

I will make you a deal...$225 ;)

Some of those dinkers are cool, but I agree...overpriced. Number 9...is sweet, but not $700 sweet. Why gamble $700 on something that COULD be genetic...when you can get a pewter, or YB pastel AND a female normal for that much?

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Originally Posted by Kingofspades

Some of those dinkers are cool, but I agree...overpriced. Number 9...is sweet, but not $700 sweet. Why gamble $700 on something that COULD be genetic...when you can get a pewter, or YB pastel AND a female normal for that much?

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Exactly! But someone with "money to gamble" will take that chance. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by kingofspades

some of those dinkers are cool, but i agree...overpriced. Number 9...is sweet, but not $700 sweet. Why gamble $700 on something that could be genetic...when you can get a pewter, or yb pastel and a female normal for that much?

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woah crazy lol i almost bought #9 till i saw that price

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

I believe people pay those kinds of prices for those "normals" because of their dinker qualities. Could be genetic, or could just be a really expensive normal. ;) But to answer your question, yes people really do spend $250+ on normals that could possibly prove to be something more. Not practical, in my opinion, but hey, if you have the money, good luck!

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You could be right, But spending big money on a dinker that has the possibilities of not being genetic is still crazy for me. I think people who don't know much about balls would be the ones purchasing a normal/dinker for that amount.

Hmmm,

Snake wise I like 4,7,12,21 and 9 - but I'd want to see a decent headshot of 9 'cos something looks hinkey from that angle. :weirdface

Price wise not a hope in heck I'd pay those prices for them.

Then again I'm not really a gambling man.


dr del

I like number 21, But again, Not the price tag.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hmmm,

Snake wise I like 4,7,12,21 and 9 - but I'd want to see a decent headshot of 9 'cos something looks hinkey from that angle. :weirdface

Price wise not a hope in heck I'd pay those prices for them.

Then again I'm not really a gambling man.


dr del

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Lol that made me laugh.

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Originally Posted by LunaBalls

You could be right, But spending big money on a dinker that has the possibilities of not being genetic is still crazy for me. I think people who don't know much about balls would be the ones purchasing a normal/dinker for that amount.

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That was definitely my first thought.. someone who doesn't know much about BPs and thinks those are morphs.. or doesn't understand that there is a possibility that their traits aren't genetic.

At some point, someone took a gamble on most of the morphs we have today. Some prove out, some don't.

Those prices don't even make sense! They are all over the board and most of the males are more than the females! I can't see anyone stupid enough to pay those prices for a normal! Dinker or not,it still a normal until it proves out something! I would pay $250 for number 9 but that is all! Our Canadian prices aren't even that crazy! LOL!

Hi,

I think the male/ female price difference is fairly normal for "new" morphs isn't it?

After all you can breed that male to multiple females and hit the jackpot if it is dom or codom and get multiple hets if it is recessive.

Later down the line ( and especially if it proves recessive or to have a super form ) I think the females would become more expensive than the males.

Then again I could be talking out of my hat as I have never really paid that much attention. :oops:


dr del

You all have a lot to learn about snake prices on possible new morphs that could make a new recessive or super.


Look back 10-20 years ago on what pastels,albinos,spiders,cinnies,pinstripes,yb etc went for without knowing anything about them.

Its a gamble you take but if you produce something new YOU get to name it and Mark its Market Price. You cant look at them of being pure normals, as it could pay off ten times over in one season if it proves something new.

They must not be in any hurry to move them. It's going to take a long time to sell them at those prices!

Holy CRAP! :O


I mean they're gorgeous normals...all normals are gorgeous... I love #12 and #20....

But SERIOUSLY? :confused:

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Originally Posted by wendhend

They must not be in any hurry to move them. It's going to take a long time to sell them at those prices!

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Originally Posted by Anya

Holy CRAP! :O


I mean they're gorgeous normals...all normals are gorgeous... I love #12 and #20....

But SERIOUSLY? :confused:

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Seriously, all the morphs we have in the industry now were sold with out ANY guarantee they would be genetic for 10s of thousands of dollars.

Theres much you need to learn about the industry and prices associated with possible new morphs.

I would want to see two similar looking siblings before I would consider those prices. Something that would give me just a little more hope that there could something going on. I'm not into it enough to gamble the money. But thats how its done.

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Originally Posted by seeya205

those prices don't even make sense! They are all over the board and most of the males are more than the females! I can't see anyone stupid enough to pay those prices for a normal! Dinker or not,it still a normal until it proves out something! I would pay $250 for number 9 but that is all! Our canadian prices aren't even that crazy! Lol!

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

You all have a lot to learn about snake prices on possible new morphs that could make a new recessive or super.


Look back 10-20 years ago on what pastels,albinos,spiders,cinnies,pinstripes,yb etc went for without knowing anything about them.

Its a gamble you take but if you produce something new YOU get to name it and Mark its Market Price. You cant look at them of being pure normals, as it could pay off ten times over in one season if it proves something new.

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You make a good point. I would only point out that some are CLEARLY normals...

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

You all have a lot to learn about snake prices on possible new morphs that could make a new recessive or super.


Look back 10-20 years ago on what pastels,albinos,spiders,cinnies,pinstripes,yb etc went for without knowing anything about them.

Its a gamble you take but if you produce something new YOU get to name it and Mark its Market Price. You cant look at them of being pure normals, as it could pay off ten times over in one season if it proves something new.

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I agree with what your saying, But pastels and albinos look different! They look different than normals. If we go and say every normal is a dinker or could be a new morph than everybody would have crazy prices for something that might be just a normal. We already have people asking if there normal is a morph! Just because its lighter than more normals, or the pattern is nicer Etc.

My 2 cents

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Originally Posted by womsterr

you make a good point. I would only point out that some are clearly normals...

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Seriously, all the morphs we have in the industry now were sold with out ANY guarantee they would be genetic for 10s of thousands of dollars.

Theres much you need to learn about the industry and prices associated with possible new morphs.

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I can appreciate that...I just think most of us simply don't have that kind of money to gamble with...:P

But yeah, I am also very uneducated as to the ways of how this industry works. Thanks for the clarification. :)

Well, I commented on one of his videos stating why is he selling normals for so much and this is what he said

"Our bush baby ball pythons are not just "normals" These are fresh bloodlines with impressive pattern and color. We sell our "normal" ball pythons for $15 each. We have been in business for 20 years and we know the difference. Thank you."

Ive never heard of bush ball pythons so im not sure what he means.

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Originally Posted by LunaBalls

Well, I commented on one of his videos stating why is he selling normals for so much and this is what he said

"Our bush baby ball pythons are not just "normals" These are fresh bloodlines with impressive pattern and color. We sell our "normal" ball pythons for $15 each. We have been in business for 20 years and we know the difference. Thank you."

Ive never heard of bush ball pythons so im not sure what he means.

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I am guessing that it means they are from out of the bush of Africa or imported from somewhere!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

I am guessing that it means they are from out of the bush of Africa or imported from somewhere!

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Ohh I See.

Some of those babies are very nice looking....and if I wasn't scraping by at the moment and had the money, I know I'd take a gamble. I think that's a fun part of the hobby. Because you never know. Yes, it could just be a normal and that would kinda suck (but you just have to tell yourself "oh well" and keep going). BUT, it could be something new....you have to take your chances. If you just stick with the already established morphs, you're just going to be breeding the same exact things most other people are breeding...and creating nothing new.
Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by CLSpider

Some of those babies are very nice looking....and if I wasn't scraping by at the moment and had the money, I know I'd take a gamble. I think that's a fun part of the hobby. Because you never know. Yes, it could just be a normal and that would kinda suck (but you just have to tell yourself "oh well" and keep going). BUT, it could be something new....you have to take your chances. If you just stick with the already established morphs, you're just going to be breeding the same exact things most other people are breeding...and creating nothing new.
Just my opinion.

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True, I agree.

Do people buy them?

Yes.

If I was underground, I'd be just as happy to sell them for those prices as turn away someone offering 2/3 of their asking and keeping those animals in the hopes that even just one proves out as something worthwhile.

If people pay the price they are worth it. To some people, a normal that is pretty is worth a few hundred bucks. If I feel in love with one, id buy it. To me, spending a few hundred dollars on an animal I can have for 30 years is a bargain. Just because its a genetic morph doesnt mean anything if you arent breeding anyways. In fact, a healthy normal is likely genetically superior.

I don't find the prices to be outrageous at all. I'd pay for a few of those, if I currently had the money and capacity to take on new animals.

It IS a bit of a gamble, and not everyone is comfortable doing that...but there's nothing unfair about the prices, just because some people aren't comfortable with them. Better to have a greater chance of getting those babies into the hands of someone serious about proving them out...than letting them go to just any pet owner who has no incentive to breed them.

Most I've spent on a dinker was $450, however, this is a 2300 gram adult female. She has 5 eggs in the bator now, so hopefully I will prove her out this season, and I bred her to a CH yellowbelly...so either way I should get something.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3712517_n.jpg

NEAT! Was she wild caught? If so, extra congrats on getting a WC animal to breed in captivity :D

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NEAT! Was she wild caught? If so, extra congrats on getting a WC animal to breed in captivity :D

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Nah. Captive hatched.
Outback Reptiles got her in a few years back, raised her, bred her, she didn't lay so they sold her.
I bred her to my captive hatched yellowbelly (who was 400 grams at the time) and she laid 5 eggs, so it's either him, or the silver streak she bred to last year who fathered. Either one I would be fine with. Haha.

lol that is crazy, I just bought a bunch of ghana babies from Ben Siegel Reptiles. a lot look just like those, I just need to sell 1 at those prices to pay for all of them. I bet someone will buy them though, just not me.

I'm just thinking about some of our morphs like sable, spotnose, even vanilla.. I have seen normals darker than sables, lighter than vanillas, and with some weird freaky patterns, weirder than what spotnose ball pythons have!

I can't imagine what a gamble it was to breed animals like those and hope for a morph! And now they are used in a lot of morphs! We have a LOT of proven morphs which really look just like pretty normals, so someone out there is hoping to have the next big thing that ends up making a ridiculously fabulous animal they can sell for a lot of money and get known for! :O

I can imagine it would be exciting, and for those who are willing to gamble with the money.. good luck to them!

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

I'm just thinking about some of our morphs like sable, spotnose, even vanilla.. I have seen normals darker than sables, lighter than vanillas, and with some weird freaky patterns, weirder than what spotnose ball pythons have!

I can't imagine what a gamble it was to breed animals like those and hope for a morph! And now they are used in a lot of morphs! We have a LOT of proven morphs which really look just like pretty normals, so someone out there is hoping to have the next big thing that ends up making a ridiculously fabulous animal they can sell for a lot of money and get known for! :O

I can imagine it would be exciting, and for those who are willing to gamble with the money.. good luck to them!

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The way I look at it is this:
If I have a dinker male, I breed it to a normal female to try to prove it.
If I get a dinker female, I breed it to a morph.

Look what happened when someone was like "Oh, this female looks neat...let's breed a mojave to it" and POW...Crystal.
Or "this one looks interesting...I'll breed it to a yellowbelly" and pow...super stripes.

One dude even proved his OWN line of Crystals AFTER the originals just from dinking. (Lucky SOB)

So yeah...dinkers can be fun.

If I had the money (which sadly I don't), I would absolutely pay for a few of those... I'm obsessed with striped and/or "jaguar-type" BPs, so #5, 8, 10, 18 & 20 would be worth every penny IMO. Even if they didn't prove out, I'd still have a majorly awesome looking normal! :gj:

I don't know, I think the whole dinker thing gets out of hand sometimes. I'm in agreement that for me at least I would want to see others of the same clutch with the same traits that make the animal I'm purchasing a "dinker" to help point me toward it being genetic. But then again maybe I'm just stingy. Lol

I personally would never buy an overpriced dinker. Honestly, I would probably never buy a dinker at all unless I was almost positive that it would turn out genetic. It takes years to prove out a morph. I would rather use my time on genetics that I know will pay off. From what I have seen, mostly new hobbyists are the ones that buy these types of animals. That is not always the case, but more often than not. I would also never sell a dinker animal for anything other than a cool-looking normal. I personally do not agree with selling normals for more just because they look different. Normals are extremely variable, and I am sure the person selling them knows this.