If you had to choose 3 Ball Python morphs to start with...

Let's pretend that you are just starting out with ball pythons, and have a 3-tub snake rack. You can either be just keeping BP's for their own sake, or planning to breed in the future. Or both.

Which ones would you choose? Male/female? Normals, base morphs, wicked combos?

Wow... I would look for the best multi gene bp's that I could find and afford.... Probably 2 females and one male. Without a specific amount to spend it is hard to make suggestions.....

Hmmm... let's put the number at around $1000 (or less) to spend on all three, unless someone has another specific amount they want to use.

with that amount I would probably look at a female Lessor, and female pastel, and keep my eye open for a male pewter..... it may be a little over a 1000, but if you shop around you could probably find them for that price....

If it were me, I'd go with a male pastel, a female enchi, and a female fire. I'm a big fan of fireflys and almost anything with enchi in it.

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Originally Posted by NomiGold

Hmmm... let's put the number at around $1000 (or less) to spend on all three, unless someone has another specific amount they want to use.

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i'll probably buy a double gene male and 2 single gene female.
Example; 1 bumblebee male, 1 pinstripe female and 1 cinnamon female.

But if you want to spent more than $1000, you could buy a triple gene male and 2 double gene females.
Example; 1 killerbee male, 1 lemonblast female and 1 pewter female.

All depends on what you want.

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Originally Posted by NomiGold

Hmmm... let's put the number at around $1000 (or less) to spend on all three, unless someone has another specific amount they want to use.

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I would buy a male bumble bee, female pastel and female lesser, only because I don't like pins or cinnies. :P A males super pastel, a female pin and female spider would be another great starting point.

I want to breed, so my thoughts are always on what I want to do with my snakes. If you don't want to breed you could get all males and probaby get some cool looking morphs. It seems like most females sell for more.

Everyone has good choices!

I know I am interested sometime in the future, but not for a while. Especially if I get younger animals. And if I can convince my roommates mother that snakes are cool.

I was thinking a male bumblebee and a female pastel and one other female (either a pin or a lesser or a majove or or or....). Lots of options.

If I went with all males... Bumblebee, hypo mojave and lesser enchi. Over $1000, but those are my favourites.

Lesser Female
Spider Female
And Pinstripe Male

Or

Lesser Female
Pastel Female
And Pinstripe Male

Would be my choice if I was starting out and had a $1000 budget or less.

Tough Choice...

I will go for 2 gene Pastel/YB male...

As Females.. Pinstripe female
and or Mojave or Lesser female..

a male lesser, a female pastel and a female ghost

Well I would go with all females, as you can pick up a 2 gene male a year later for most likely cheaper than the current price now. I'd get a good quality female Lesser, female Enchi, and try to fit in a 2 gene female like a Bumblebee, pastel yellowbelly, or Lemonblast..

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Originally Posted by The Mad Baller

Well I would go with all females, as you can pick up a 2 gene male a year later for most likely cheaper than the current price now. I'd get a good quality female Lesser, female Enchi, and try to fit in a 2 gene female like a Bumblebee, pastel yellowbelly, or Lemonblast..

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You beat me to it. Buy all females. You are not sure if you want to breed or not but if you decide in the future you can add a male. Two or three years from now when your females are ready you will get a lot more male for your money because prices come down. If you never decide to breed females will be worth a lot more if you ever sell.

I get all females and get my male later on like couple others said I thinkI go after snakes that are at least het or possible het while I was picking out, I grab at least mojave, lesser, bee and or cinny. that are all het either pied or albino ( i got a mojave that possible het pied(no paper work) to prove out in a couple years now) but she was only 200 and cheapest ( of any the bell line morphs at hamburg last year)
and since your not buying cages and such looking at about 333 per snake and could adjust that as you pick up a cheaper snake.

oooh oooh oooh...

*drools*

I'd get a female pastel, a female YB, and a female lesser, all het for pied, (ideally...) Unsure if you could get that for 1000...But it's what I'd get, if I ever had the money.

On a $1000 budget, I'd buy a pastel and a lesser female and a male mojave. That way I'd be set up to make pastaves, pastels, BELs, mojaves, lessers, and the inevitable normals. That would give me some traders to get more in the way of snakes and cages.

We went with:

- Pastel Ghost male
- Pastel het Ghost female

If I could add two more females, I'd add:

- Enchi female
- Lesser Female

If I could only add one more female, it'd be a difficult choice.

1.1 pastel yb's and a mojave female and enough left over to buy a nice t-stat :P

Make:
pastels
super pastels
pastel yb's
super pastel yb's
ivorys
pastel ivories
super pastel ivories
mojaves
pastaves
pastavebelly's
and a few normals if your really lucky :D

Not bad for 3 snakes under $1000 ;)

I really do like the idea of starting off with all females, both to give them time to grow and me time to gain experience with ball pythons. The only thing I'm sure of right now is that I do most definitely want a bumblebee, especially since this was the morph that got me loving the ball python morphs.

I like the idea of getting 3 females too, but ideally I'd like to have a mature male to breed those girls too.
If you wait one year and then your male is a picky eater, then you'll have a small male when those females are ready at 2 years old, assuming you do end up breeding them.
Males over a year old make much better breeders "in general".

I'm starting out small. I have a mojo male and am getting a lesser female and a black pastel. I also hope to eventually add a female enchi and a female pastel yb. My next male will probably be a firefly. I want to keep it simple.

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Originally Posted by NomiGold

I really do like the idea of starting off with all females, both to give them time to grow and me time to gain experience with ball pythons. The only thing I'm sure of right now is that I do most definitely want a bumblebee, especially since this was the morph that got me loving the ball python morphs.

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I'm starting out with all females. I picked up a pied, a het pied, and a mojave, all 2010's. I'll probably add another female somewhere along the line--not quite sure of which morph yet. It's going to take some time to grow them up to breeding size, so it makes more sense to me to start out with the girls.

I've noticed a whole bunch of folks selling off single and double gene proven male breeders after their females have been bred. I plan on picking up one the spring that my girls are hitting around 1300 to 1600 gms. I can get in six months of quarrantine and have it ready to breed that winter. I also want a male pied but I haven't seen a bunch of proven male pieds for sale, so I'll probably pick one up and grow it out from the 2011 or 2012 crop. I'll keep the male pied if he turns out to be a decent breeder, but the other one will be sold/traded and replaced the next year for another morph.

If I do that each year and save a couple of the better females to raise for breeders from the one's I've hatched I'll end up with a nice assortment and probably waaaay too many snakes.

If I had to start over again, I probably wouldn't change what I already have. But maybe have a Genetic Stripe female, keep my Pin female and my Pastel male. But honestly, I love what I have.

Great decision already with the bumblebee right there you have two very important gene's already. Next I'd get a pied and a couple norm females or a yellowbelly female. I left out lesser's but you gotta have those too.:gj:


If I had to start all over I would get these four without a doubt.

1. A very hott bumblebee.
2. Pied
3. Lesser
4. Albino

Have my Spider male, got my Pastel Female now looking for Pinstripe female... That's where I am starting.

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Originally Posted by NomiGold

I really do like the idea of starting off with all females, both to give them time to grow and me time to gain experience with ball pythons. The only thing I'm sure of right now is that I do most definitely want a bumblebee, especially since this was the morph that got me loving the ball python morphs.

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Male bee, female super pastel, and female lesser (or butter). Should be able to do that for around 1g, especially if you get everything from 1 source.

um i dont have plans to ever get or use a rack but i made a wish list of 3 bp morphs that i want.
#1) mojave (have this one now)
#2) pumpkin piebald
#3) bumblebee

Enchi x2 and hypo pastel all females

ill pretend their was no limit on money and i would go with killer bee, clown , and pied. id be content with that right now......lol
adam jeffery

if 1k was all i had then id go with bumble bee male albino female and lesser female. which if your in the right circles is very possible for 1k but on average a little more

I am starting this year and have picked up a pastel female, I hope and plan to get 2 het pied females later this year and possibly a normal female. If I am really lucky I might pick up a yellowbelly and/or fire also, haven't really decided on male or female.

Next year, spider or bumblebee male het axanthic.

In 2 years, male pied = D.

Then finally an axanthic het albino female and the yellowbelly or fire if I haven't got them yet.

In about 10 years! A phantom!

Of course if at any time I have some spare cash :rolleyes: any other morph I can get. I currently have 2 normal males.../sigh They are awesome snakes tho.

Starting off I would only buy 3 females and buy males after a couple of years when there getting close to breeding weight. Ide say the first ones i would buy would be

0.1 Mojave
0.1 Spider
0.1 pastel

If I were to just have three... A lesser, a clown, and my normal Maru! :D
Because King Clowns are my FAVORITE! And lesser just looks great with everything (to me!) ;)

I love reading everyones choices. :D

I know I love pretty much all the spider combos (and all the bee's, killer, queen, stinger, ect), I quite like pinstripes, lessers and enchis (kingpins and lesser enchis are another two favorites). As for recessives, hypo combos are lovely. I will definitely want to try for a hypo mojave in the future. And I think the bases for all of these are in my price range.

So my paired down list so far is:

Bumblebee
Pin
Spider
Pastel or Super pastel
Lesser
Enchi
Mojave
And any of the above het for hypo.

I would be happy with any three of the above, I think.

I'm a little late but I would start over with female morphs too. (I wound up with all normal girls and one granite girl, though of the 6 normals, 2 are going this year and my granite is ready too.)
#1 bee
#2 pastel yellow belly
#3 pinstripe
(one or more het OG if possible but pushing the $1k limit)

Males come cheaper and could get a pair in a year:gj:

#1 male spider
#2 female pastel
#3 female lesser

Future queen bee factory, lol

I'm starting with a male bee, and my next two will be a female lesser and a female pinstripe. So many combo's with those three snakes.

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Originally Posted by volcom

i'll probably buy a double gene male and 2 single gene female.
Example; 1 bumblebee male, 1 pinstripe female and 1 cinnamon female.

But if you want to spent more than $1000, you could buy a triple gene male and 2 double gene females.
Example; 1 killerbee male, 1 lemonblast female and 1 pewter female.

All depends on what you want.

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exactly what I would do

Buy a quality double co-dom female and a single gene female (no overlap in genes). Save for a year and purchase a nice double gene male.

Personally, I prefer quality over quantity, so I'd spend the $1K on one top-notch female.

Ooo, this is fun. I would go with just keepers (not for breeding), and I'd get a Ghost, an Axanthic, and an Albino. A pied would be a close 4th. It wouldn't matter male or female.

...aaaah, a girl can dream!!!

I am kinda in this boat right now. Ive been keeping snakes ( BPs and King Snakes) for a little over 2 years. If I had known what I know now when getting my first snake i would have done things COMPLETELY differently.
The last few months I have been looking into breeding BPs because no one in my area breeds BPs. (My 1st BP was a Normal male ($50) ) Anyways, I have/had about $1000 to start with. I went with getting a Pastel HET Genetic Stripe female ($250) to breed with my normal... I started thinking about it and I thought it would be best to get a male that had some cool genetics that way the off spring would actually be worth something. So, I picked up a Spider HET Genetic Stripe male ($200). BTW both the pastel and spider were about 650-750 grams when I got them, not babies. So I'm looking at $500 invested as of now, but I would only get one clutch with the set up I have now. :please: So, I want to get another female or 2 so my first season seems worth is. That means I would have to buy another adult / sub-adult snake and I cant find anything that is well started, in my price range, and worth breeding to one of my current males. I am starting to think about buying 3 normal females to breed with one of the current males I have now. This way I can keep my cost down on buying expensive female morphs, use that saved money to buy a better male (or one from my clutch Pastel HET G.S X Spider HET G.S. ) to breed with a normal female the next season. I think this is a good way to get the ball rolling, for the least amount of money up front AND still get some cool morphs from your clutches...

So for a total of $650ish you'll have 6 snakes (2 males & 4 females). Not a bad price for 6 snakes and getting a possible 4 clutches.
1.3 Normal
1.0 Spider HET Genetic Stripe
0.1 Pastel HET Genetic Stripe

The Breeding Pairs I would set up with these combos:
Spider HET Genetic Stripe X Pastel HET Genetic Stripe
Spider HET Genetic Stripe X Normal
Spider HET Genetic Stripe X Normal
Normal X Normal (I would only do this if my Spider male was getting tired out...)

Out comes for all this:

Normals
HET Genetic Stripe
Spider
spider HET Genetic Stripe
Pastel
Pastel HET Genetic Stripe
Genetic Stripe
Pastel Genetic Stripe
Spider
Spider HET G.S
Bumble Bee
Bumble Bee HET G.S.
Motley Bee
Genetic Stripe Pastel Spider

I think that's everything... But as you can see you have a lot of cool morph possibilities. And if you get lucky you hold back the female; Motley Bee, Bumble Bee, Pastel Genetic Stripe, or any other nice snake for future breeders :)

If anyone thinks my thought process on all of this is crazy... Please tell me! I am open to all ideas ;) I'm still new to the breeding side of all this. But, so far this is my best strategy for the position I'm in.

I also started breeding rats because the store I have to go to sucks and never has the right sizes in stock... Anyone who has ideas on keeping the smell down please help! Thanks and I hope everything above helps you out!

Scaleless male
Albino scaleless head female
Pied scaleless head female


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1000 bucks for all 3, no buying additional animals... id go with

2 pastel hypo females
1 clown male

Realistically? A male and female from the BEL complex and an albino. Those make it so I can continue the hobby by selling BELs but also have stretching room for making albino leucistics which can be fun.

Calico bee 0.1, Lesser clown 0.1, jigsaw het Russo 1.0

For a limited budget of $1,000, I'd get a female lesser, female fire and a male pastel enchi.

On a $1000 budget and just starting collection... this is what I would do...
I'd buy 0.3 girls to start growing in '14
0.1 calico $400
0.1 enchi $350
0.1 spotnose $300
In '15
Add
0.1 Black Pastel $300
0.1 super pastel $250
1.0 Spinnerblast $450
In '16
You could potentially hatch out
Calico spinnerblasts
Enchi spinnerblasts
Spotnose spinnerblasts.
And by
'17 you could be hatchling out
Calico spinnerblasts
Enchi spinnerblasts
Spotnose spinnerblasts
Black pewter spinners
Killerspinners
:D



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The thread is 3 years old, by now I am pretty sure the op has made is mind up. :gj:

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The thread is 3 years old, by now I am pretty sure the op has made is mind up. :gj:

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Hey now, these things take time....

and I was wondering why people suggested things that you could get for under $500 lol.

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Originally Posted by NomiGold

Let's pretend that you are just starting out with ball pythons, and have a 3-tub snake rack. You can either be just keeping BP's for their own sake, or planning to breed in the future. Or both.

Which ones would you choose? Male/female? Normals, base morphs, wicked combos?

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Wow this is a good question but one that i think every one is going to have a different answer for. If your talking as just pets and you are not ever going to breed and these are the only snakes you have i say go piebald bumblebee and superbutter/blue eyes!!! but if you are going to breed and are selling trading and keeping the babys go more simple Butter or Lesser Male/ Butter or Lesser Female / Normal female. I had to make this decision a couple years ago but the issue was not the rack system or space jsut did not have a lot of money for snakes to start so i started out with a Butter male and a couple of already proven adult female norms. i am sure every one has a different way that will work this is just what i like :)

Hm... I haven't even got my first yet! But for breeding I'd want a male, two females. Everything het pied. Maybe a pastel het pied male, pied female, and a het pied spider female (if that exists...) you could get pieds, spiders, pastels... that'd be pretty cool. Edit: didn't see the $1000 budget. I don't know morph prices. I also didn't know this was an old thread.