What is wrong with him?

I had my male albino ball out on a breeding loan. When he came back he had red spots all over him. He has shed since but they are still there. I had him in a PAM container and see no mites on him. Here are some photos.

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measles.........never seen that before..... looks like a trip to the vet

Chicken pox :O
No, seriously, I've never seen that before--it's strange. Could it have something to do with his albinism genes? :confused:

It looks like flea bites?! Will a flea even bite a bp? I don't know but I wouldn't be loaning to them again!:(

I would guess it is from way too high humidity and a really dirty tub. It might be some sort of fungal or bacterial infection if the shed didn't help it. You might have to get him to the vet for antibiotics. This is just a guess so hopefully an expert will chime in. Good luck!

Regards,

B

I'm keeping an eye on this one. Really interested to find out the final verdict.

Are those open sores or just discolorations?

Are they on his head and belly too?

Does any of the other snakes that were in the care of the person you loaned it to has these spots? It they are just a discoloration then I would just keep an eye on them to see if they increase in size. I would keep it on paper towels like I see in your pics. This will help you in detecting any kind of bugs or bleeding! If they do get worse or look like they are bothering the snake(like not eating) then I would take it to a qualified reptile vet for a check up! Wish you the best of luck!

Verrry strange! Could it be some kind of stain, like from rusty water? Or an unsupervised child with a sharpie marker? :rolleyes: If you could get closer pics of some of the spots, with some crisp detail, I'd be very interested in seeing them.

EDIT for another question: What did the person who did the breeding say about the spots???

Yes I'd like to know if they noticed the spots and or what they're explanation was for these spots when you got him back. Personally I'd be really po'd. But I have a feeling it's more of a bacterial/fungal thing like scale rot. Any chance he
Came in contact with any chemical or anything like that?

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Verrry strange! Could it be some kind of stain, like from rusty water? Or an unsupervised child with a sharpie marker? :rolleyes: If you could get closer pics of some of the spots, with some crisp detail, I'd be very interested in seeing them.

EDIT for another question: What did the person who did the breeding say about the spots???

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He has shed Judy. I would think that supports bacterial or fungal infection but I'm shooting off the hip.

Regards,

B

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He has shed Judy. I would think that supports bacterial or fungal infection but I'm shooting off the hip.

Regards,

B

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Certainly makes it less likely to be a simple surface marking caused by discolored water or newsprint. But something more permeable (like a sharpie marker) could leave marks that may take several sheds to completely fade away. It doesn't look like any scale rot I've ever seen, but it could be some weird fungal issue.

The pictures are too small, and not nearly enough info has been given for us to do anything more than toss out random guesses. I just figured I'd throw out something I hadn't seen anyone else suggest. :P

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Certainly makes it less likely to be a simple surface marking caused by discolored water or newsprint. But something more permeable (like a sharpie marker) could leave marks that may take several sheds to completely fade away. It doesn't look like any scale rot I've ever seen, but it could be some weird fungal issue.

The pictures are too small, and not nearly enough info has been given for us to do anything more than toss out random guesses. I just figured I'd throw out something I hadn't seen anyone else suggest. :P

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I had no idea that a marker could do something like that. I guess you learn something new everyday :) Hopefully we can get some closer pics or someone with previous experience can comment.

Regards,

B

Sharpie makes sense. I mark my baby beardies with sharpies and they do fade in a few sheds. So whom had a coloring day with your albino? Id still be p.o'd

The marks are on his back and sides but not on his belly. They don't have a kid and they said they didn't mark him with anything. The photos didn't come out very well. He is bedding is always paper towels (white no designs).


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They look almost like blisters. :confused:
What the heck?

I am guessing but it really looks like some sort of irritation one (although the photo is hard to tell) look slightly raised? they do look like what I get when a black fly bites. A irritated little dot. It could be some sort of bacterial or fungal thing too I am simply guessing. Personally I'd be booking in with a vet about now.

Id say vet too...maybe something that affects snakes like ringworm does people?

Have you considered scale rot / dermatitis? I can't get any proper pictures (go figure), but from the little I've been able to try and find, it sounds like it might match. Has he been shedding more frequently or faster than usual recently? Anybody concur or have feedback?

On the back but not the belly? Odd. If it were fungus/bacteria wouldn't it be all over? Same with chemical irritation. I'm guessing markers or some kinda bite. I think the vet will be the only way to solve this one. Please keep us up to date on him. Wishing you luck!:(

Looks like something that has gone septic

To me it looks like it had mites. The mites will get under the scales and feed off the blood of the snake. Once they're killed there can still be red marks from the blood of the area that the mite was feeding on. Its not noticable on other snakes because of their color but on a white snake it shows like that. Even if it sheds there can still be red marks because of this until they fully heal. I'd be willing to bet your friend had mites while having him.

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To me it looks like it had mites. The mites will get under the scales and feed off the blood of the snake. Once they're killed there can still be red marks from the blood of the area that the mite was feeding on. Its not noticable on other snakes because of their color but on a white snake it shows like that. Even if it sheds there can still be red marks because of this until they fully heal. I'd be willing to bet your friend had mites while having him.

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i agree with this direction, they almost look like bruises rather than infected areas. Kinda like when you get bit up by chiggers and when they're almost healed you've just got the discoloration.

I know they he had mites when he got back to me. That is why I put him in a cage that I had treated with PAM. He doesn't seem to be sheding any faster than usual and is acting fine. He has always been a spotty eater but has eaten since I got him back (though he lost weight while they had him).

IMO thoes look like bed bug bites a woman at work had them and on a person thats what they looked like they bite in patches of 3`s sometimes one bug can bite 50 times in one feed :O This is just what it looks like to me Ive never seen a mite bite on a snake so I cant compare Look up bed bug bite pictures and you will see what I am saying on how they bite in sections like that I hope its not because if the snake travelled with them they are buggers to get rid of :mad:

Some sort of bug bite is what I keep coming back to.

Mites I cannot say as I do not have any snakes light enough to see mite bites.

But tick bites, chigger bites, flea bites, mosquito bites all look pretty much exactly like this when seen on a human.

I believe if it were me, I would be taking this animal to a vet straight away. Maybe it's nothing, but it could be serious, then I'd feel awful knowing I could have caught it sooner and decided to wait.

Gale

After seeing this, I will never loan out a snake to anyone.

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I know they he had mites when he got back to me. That is why I put him in a cage that I had treated with PAM. He doesn't seem to be sheding any faster than usual and is acting fine. He has always been a spotty eater but has eaten since I got him back (though he lost weight while they had him).

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I'd say thats your problem then. I can almost guarantee thats why he's got those spots.

you need to take him to the vet and send the bill for it to the people that had your snake, it is their fault, whatever it may be

good luck

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you need to take him to the vet and send the bill for it to the people that had your snake, it is their fault, whatever it may be

good luck

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X2 The borrower should pay any cost incurred!

I agree when you loan am animal out it becomes their responsibility while it's in their care. If anything should happen they are responsible.

They refused to pay for the vet for him :( The vet said it was because of the bites from the mites. They are "bruises". Ihe is in QT and has been since I got him back. I will never loan him out again. Oh and when I asked they said their girl take. Even though they said on many occasions he locked with her. Thank you all for your help.

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They refused to pay for the vet for him :( The vet said it was because of the bites from the mites. They are "bruises". Ihe is in QT and has been since I got him back. I will never loan him out again. Oh and when I asked they said their girl take. Even though they said on many occasions he locked with her. Thank you all for your help.

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I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure they are liable under contract law. I'm sure it'd be a waste of money to hire a lawyer just to foot a vet bill, but unless they tried to get it back and you didn't take it, the blame lies entirely on them. Even if it was a circumstance beyond their control.

Mites is not a circumstance beyond control. Good qt prevents all of that. Their girl may just gave not taken yet. I have a few girls that haven't ovulated yet. But it doesn't mean they won't or even will. I'd keep track of that in case youre owed anything for the studding.

lol I am glad you guys could understand that strange sentence. They said the girl didn't take but they kept talking about her ovulating and them hooking up. I am just fed up with them. I thought they where my friends but after this I wonder. I bet that if their girl did take they wouldn't split the clutch with me. Well I do believe in Karma. Next year my albino girl will be ready for this little boy :)

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lol I am glad you guys could understand that strange sentence. They said the girl didn't take but they kept talking about her ovulating and them hooking up. I am just fed up with them. I thought they where my friends but after this I wonder. I bet that if their girl did take they wouldn't split the clutch with me. Well I do believe in Karma. Next year my albino girl will be ready for this little boy :)

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They are no friends of yours, I'll tell you that much.
I really hate such "grabber" people as I call them!! :mad::mad::mad:

That's why I write contracts for any loans. I also have the other party bring the loan here about 4 months before actual cooling. And then I do the caring for and the breeding. I know exactly whats going down then. I would think long and hard about any future loans. I wouldn't consider people that gave my snake mites and lied to me and then refused responsibility "friends". Looks like they took advantage of the situation and infected your snake and possibly your other snakes with a parasite. Screw them.

Lesson learned. Thank you for keeping us up to date. I certainly won't be loaning out my snakes now! I'm glad you know what it is and can rest easier now.

Sorry you had to deal with that! Just a quick idea though, if their snakes were ill with anything the mites could have spread certain illnesses to your snake after feeding on theirs, so I would keep an eye on your snake and watch for any symptoms and keep him quarantined from all your other reptiles. They sound like such shoddy reptile keepers that I would not be surprised if their animals were rife with disease, it would be a shame for something else to get spread to your own collection. Good luck!

Sorry you had to go through that :(.

Can I ask what the verbal terms for the breeding loan you settled on were? If they said they would give you anything from the clutch that is a verbal contract and they need to uphold their end. I would keep on good terms with them until you know for sure their female isn't going to lay. Hopefully you can still end this on a positive note and get something out of it.

I hate to say it, but if you take the risk to loan out your animal and anything happens that's a chance you are taking. IMO those bites are minor considering they could have killed your snake while it was in their care.

I for one would never loan out one of my animals. If someone wants to breed to my animals they can wait and buy a baby from me. I've been asked several times already about breeding loans, and I'm not interested. My sister is about the only person I'll do breeding loans with.

somehow i kinda figured they were a sort of bruise ive had a ball python with a bruise on her belly but it was darker cuz she was darker