is this a lock??

so i got a male mojave a couple days ago to breed to my female and i have probed all of my snakes so i put the male in with a few of my other males for now and in the morning they were like this picture i have here and i thought that he was a male but they stayed like this for 8 hours then finnally stopped when i probed the one that i thought or sure was a male it went in 9 scales so i was wondering if it is possible for them if thy are both males to stay like this for that long??
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...iiicake/87.jpg

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Originally Posted by Caleyandanthony

so i got a male mojave a couple days ago to breed to my female

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Quarantine.com .... you picked up that male a couple days ago and you are already getting him locked up with your girls... I hope that boy came from a very reliable source, although no quarantine is still risky regardless. In the long run it is well worth it as many people will tell you...

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Originally Posted by PweEzy

Quarantine.com .... you picked up that male a couple days ago and you are already getting him locked up with your girls... I hope that boy came from a very reliable source, although no quarantine is still risky regardless. In the long run it is well worth it as many people will tell you...

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are you serious right now??

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Originally Posted by PweEzy

Quarantine.com .... you picked up that male a couple days ago and you are already getting him locked up with your girls... I hope that boy came from a very reliable source, although no quarantine is still risky regardless. In the long run it is well worth it as many people will tell you...

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oh no he might have aids

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Originally Posted by PweEzy

Quarantine.com .... you picked up that male a couple days ago and you are already getting him locked up with your girls... I hope that boy came from a very reliable source, although no quarantine is still risky regardless. In the long run it is well worth it as many people will tell you...

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and yes i got him from a reliable source

He's actually 100% serious.....
Quarantining new snakes is a huge step in owning a good number of snakes.
What if that new snake has a RI, or mites, or some internal parasites, etc, etc....
Also housing more than one snake together isn't a great thing to do.

Wow nice way to act, Dont come crying to the internet when your snakes are sick and wonder why.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Wow nice way to act, Dont come crying to the internet when your snakes are sick and wonder why.

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ok well first of all that wasnt even my question i didnt intend on my snake to mate with my "male" and i know the person i got him from it was my mother in law and she has had the snake in with her other male for quite some time now and there is nothing wrong with the snake and second of all who are you guys to even judge me when you dont even know the situation i know that the snake needs to be Quentined. so my question was:
so i got a male mojave a couple days ago to breed to my female and i have probed all of my snakes so i put the male in with a few of my other males for now and in the morning they were like this picture i have here and i thought that he was a male but they stayed like this for 8 hours then finnally stopped when i probed the one that i thought or sure was a male it went in 9 scales so i was wondering if it is possible for them if thy are both males to stay like this for that long??
So does any one have a answer or what

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Originally Posted by CLSpider

He's actually 100% serious.....
Quarantining new snakes is a huge step in owning a good number of snakes.
What if that new snake has a RI, or mites, or some internal parasites, etc, etc....
Also housing more than one snake together isn't a great thing to do.

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i was joking about the aids thing im sorry no one can take a joke

Joking or not, your breeding snakes before properly letting them settle in. I dont care if the snakes came from god himself. No new arrivals breed right away as you dont know everything about it.

I dont need to judge you but from your posts your always right and know whats best and I or other experienced breeders know nothing. :gj:

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Joking or not, your breeding snakes before properly letting them settle in. I dont care if the snakes came from god himself. No new arrivals breed right away as you dont know everything about it.

I dont need to judge you but from your posts your always right and know whats best and I or other experienced breeders know nothing. :gj:

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um i just got into snakes i know nothing compared to the people on this website why do you think i am on here asking a question why are you people being so defensive i am asking a question cause i dont know why are you making this hard its a simple question that i dont know the answer to im not making it out to seem like i know something i am just telling you the situation yes i put my male snake in with some males cause i at that time didnt have a dif separate cage to put him in till the next day the person i got the snake from was direct family and i new the snake was ok so i figured it would be ok im so sorry i made a joke i will never do it again i guess this website isnt a good one to be on?

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Joking or not, your breeding snakes before properly letting them settle in. I dont care if the snakes came from god himself. No new arrivals breed right away as you dont know everything about it.

I dont need to judge you but from your posts your always right and know whats best and I or other experienced breeders know nothing. :gj:

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and i didnt say i was putting my male in with other females i got the snake to mate with a female i have the female i have will not be ready to mate for at least another year she needs to put on alot more weight im not dropping him in to mate when i just got him i said i put him in with males not females i dont get this at all?? am i not writing write or somthing i mean i have had a few beers but im letting my husband read what im writing and he thinks im making sence so i dont understand what im writing thats making me look like i know [stuff] cause im asking a question i dont know i just want to know what this means please help instead of jumping all over me im sorry i havent ever bred a snake im sorry that im a beginner im sorry i like to joke around im sorry i even came on this website

Yes, males can lock like that. Its a dominance thing. You really should not house males together though, especially if you are planning on breeding. Assuming both snakes are correctly sexed what youre seeing is a type of combat and stressful on both animals. IMHO, putting him in with other males is worse than putting him in with the female. If I were you, my next step would be to get individual setups for each animal (plus a couple extras for new arrivals, bps are addicting).

Oh well, live and learn but for next time I would suggest:

1. Quarantine no matter who you got the snake from. The one time you keep mites or a disease away from your other animals it will be worth it. Even if its from a reputable source, there is always a chance the new animal has something they missed and the stress of the move will make it pop up.

2. Try to avoid housing snakes together except when breeding them. It makes things more complicated and its easy to stress your snakes out.

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Originally Posted by Caleyandanthony

um i just got into snakes i know nothing compared to the people on this website why do you think i am on here asking a question why are you people being so defensive i am asking a question cause i dont know why are you making this hard its a simple question that i dont know the answer to im not making it out to seem like i know something i am just telling you the situation yes i put my male snake in with some males cause i at that time didnt have a dif separate cage to put him in till the next day the person i got the snake from was direct family and i new the snake was ok so i figured it would be ok im so sorry i made a joke i will never do it again i guess this website isnt a good one to be on?

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No one is being defensive here except for you. You aren't adhering to a strict quarantine period for new animals. Someone mentioned that you NEED to quarantine and then you got defensive because your husbandry was brought into question.

Regardless of where an animal comes from you really, really, really need to keep to a quarantine procedure for all new arrivals. This is to ensure both the health of your new animal as well as the health of those that the snake comes into contact with. There are some truly tragic stories on here that detail just what can happen when quarantine isn't put into practice. The people here are simply trying to spare you that sort of grief.

I have two males here on loan from a good friend. I don't question the quality of her animals or her husbandry at all and yet both of these guys were quarantined for 6 weeks before I introduced them to their intended females.

I agree with aalomon, as well. Unless they're breeding, you really shouldn't co-hab your snakes. They're not social and prefer being alone. It makes it easier to identify potential problems with a snake in an enclosure when there is only one snake living there.

This is a great website with lost of very knowledgeable breeders that would be willing to help you in an instant. Possibly causing ill health in your pet is never funny to anyone. For future reference and the health and safety of your snakes: Always qt your snakes, no matter who they are from. It protects the health of your collection and gives your new arrival proper time to settle in. Also, it is never smart to house multiple snakes together.Just my :twocents: Since the deed is done, and hopefully you learned from the experience. Are you 100% positive they are both males?

Well I can take a joke. It was kinda funny, but in all seriousness its not good practice to not quarantine your animals. I have had snakes for going on 9 years now. I just purchased several this year from 3 different reputable breeders and I did a quarantine for almost 2 months and noticed nothing. I then decided to put them into the snake room with the rest (in their own tubs) and what do you know, one had mites. I have never had mites or a sick snake. Trust me you dont want to deal with things like this. It can even happen when you do things correctly. I caught them early and stopped them but they are persistent little buggers. The snake you just got is most likely fine but you never know for sure and you can save yourself alot of stress by just doing things the right way. There are alot of good people on here that know alot and will help you and be glad to joke around but some things need to be taken seriously. They have taught me alot. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Yes, males can lock like that. Its a dominance thing. You really should not house males together though, especially if you are planning on breeding. Assuming both snakes are correctly sexed what youre seeing is a type of combat and stressful on both animals. IMHO, putting him in with other males is worse than putting him in with the female. If I were you, my next step would be to get individual setups for each animal (plus a couple extras for new arrivals, bps are addicting).

Oh well, live and learn but for next time I would suggest:

1. Quarantine no matter who you got the snake from. The one time you keep mites or a disease away from your other animals it will be worth it. Even if its from a reputable source, there is always a chance the new animal has something they missed and the stress of the move will make it pop up.

2. Try to avoid housing snakes together except when breeding them. It makes things more complicated and its easy to stress your snakes out.

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hi thank you for not freaking out on me and yes my husband and i are working on a huge set up and that is why i put the other male in with another male i read and it said it was ok but here is pictures of the setup of the cages we are doing
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...e/IMG_0536.jpg
and this is only a few of the cages and there all big enough with heat pads and hides and everythin they need so im working on the cages for them to all have there own

Sorry, I thought I answered your question. Yes, two male snakes can lock like that. Its caused by a dominance/combat reaction with two males in breeding condition. Seeing that behavior does not automatically mean one of the snakes is a female, but it wouldnt hurt to double check the genders. Did I miss anything?

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Originally Posted by aalomon

Sorry, I thought I answered your question. Yes, two male snakes can lock like that. Its caused by a dominance/combat reaction with two males in breeding condition. Seeing that behavior does not automatically mean one of the snakes is a female, but it wouldnt hurt to double check the genders. Did I miss anything?

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no you did not miss anything you are the only person on here that even answered the question i had and i did get it the first time im just irratated that i am getting judged you know what i mean i just got into snakes and i feel like i cant ask a question without either getting laughed at cause im dumb for trying to learn about snakes or getting attacked because i made a silly joke and obviously a mistke by putting my male in with another male i think im just gonna re register on here so my name is forgotten and start over

Dont worry about it. People here are very passionate about their animals. Its nothing personal, its just that the snakes come before the people here. You get used to it and end up getting really good advise. Good luck.

Wow! Defensive! People recognized that you were a beginner and they offered you extra info on top of your question. You came on to get educated and that's all they are doing. To answer your question, yes males will do this and they will engage in combat when housed together! You should have waited until you have proper housing before getting a snake! Males do not like being housed together! You said you put this mojave in with your other males which means you already house multiple snakes together! Beginners should really stick with one snake until they learn proper care and should not even attempt breeding until then have a couple years experience. People are very helpful on here but when you jeopardize the health of a snake, they take that seriously! Here is a care sheet for you to read: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ius)-Caresheet . Follow that and you will have very happy snakes! :D Good luck! He is a nice looking Mojave!

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Originally Posted by Caleyandanthony

no you did not miss anything you are the only person on here that even answered the question i had and i did get it the first time im just irratated that i am getting judged you know what i mean i just got into snakes and i feel like i cant ask a question without either getting laughed at cause im dumb for trying to learn about snakes or getting attacked because i made a silly joke and obviously a mistke by putting my male in with another male i think im just gonna re register on here so my name is forgotten and start over

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First off, please DON'T reregister to "start over" with a new name. It's against our rules and can get you into trouble and possibly actually banned from the site.

I'm very sorry if you feel you've gotten off to a rocky start. Others have and come back just fine. I know some folks that got off to a similar rocky start and are now mods of the site. No one will remember this a few days from now, if you just make the effort to learn and move on. We were all new once and know what it feels like.

What you take as an attack or judgement against your character is not that at all. Folks here are simply very passionate about the well-being of the animals and are sometimes very quick to point out mistakes that put the animals' health into jeopardy. Especially if you've known someone who's ENTIRE collection worth thousands of dollars was completely wiped out due to one sick snake being unknowingly brought into the same room. It CAN happen. And there are myriad lesser issues at risk as well.

No one wants to bash you....everyone just hopes you'll understand the importance of the issue and not blow it off.

As has been mentioned...two males can and will lock together as if mating. And sometimes snakes are mis-sexed. I know competent folks who have had eggs laid by "males". ;)

Good luck with your animals. :)