Desert Lesser x Desert Spider female

Caught these two locked up today, Desert Lesser with an 1850 gram Desert Spider female. Camera phone pic, but oh well : )

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...eding_5-11.jpg

hopefully get some supers!

WOW!!! Good luck!

Cool, :banana:

Really looking forward to see the results of that. :gj:


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Oh my god, they are just incredible. Deserts and desert combos are hands down my favorite morphs. I'm excited to see what these two produce.

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Originally Posted by Kymberli

Oh my god, they are just incredible. Deserts and desert combos are hands down my favorite morphs. I'm excited to see what these two produce.

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I'll second that!!! :banana:

Those two are hot! :cool:

Those are both smoking ...Very interested in the results of that pairing..:gj:

Congrats! I'm pulling for you guys to hit a super this year.

Congrats, love those desert combos!

This breading will pput so many questions to rest!!! I am so pulling for you on this one!

Can't wait to get just a desert let alone a combo beautiful animals congrats hope you get a great clutch

Deserts have supers?

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

Deserts have supers?

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Not yet. But I think that is part of the point of this pairing.

I didn't know desserts were co dom. I just know a dessert lesserbee is great but didn't think a lesser and spider would make a super.

Amazing!! Deserts are the best!

I don't think there has been a whole lot of desert x desert breeding done to find out if there is a super

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Originally Posted by Drewp

I don't think there has been a whole lot of desert x desert breeding done to find out if there is a super

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I believe there has been. Just no one wants to share to let you down...

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

I didn't know desserts were co dom. I just know a dessert lesserbee is great but didn't think a lesser and spider would make a super.

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A little confused by this. A Spider to Lesser would not make a super. The dessert to dessert is what I was getting at. Although they have yet to be produced or have been produced and no one wants to share :D.

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I believe there has been. Just no one wants to share to let you down...

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Meaning?

Wow.... This makes me want to get a desert again... :)

Keep us posted! Good luck!

Amazing! Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

B

The Desert is a relatively new morph of Ball Python that presently has two lines. Both Stan Chiras and Peter Kahl have proven them and are presently working with them. This is the history of them as told to me by Stan.

Around 2001 Stan Chiras purchased his original Desert male as a 350 gram import. At the time of purchase it was assumed to be a Desert Ghost. When it got up to size to breed it was bred to a Normal Female and the offspring were expected to be Normal looking Het Desert Ghost. Much to his surprise two of the babies looked just like the Father. Around this same time Peter Kahl imported a like animal that he also thought was a Desert Ghost. His Desert did the same thing as Stan’s. Stan and Peter compared their animals and determined that they were the same thing. Instead of being a Simple Recessive trait it appears to be Co-Dom. That should be proven sometime soon, as both Stan and Peter will be breeding Desert-to-Desert trying to produce a Super. Hopefully it will not be a White Snake. LOL

I was able to see this incredible new morph at the 2007 Daytona show. Both Peter and Stan had them available and both of them had a few crosses (I will show some pictures of the crosses a little further down the page), with them. Stan had a slightly better selection of then so I ended up purchasing one from him. She was the very nicest Female he had. Here are some pictures I took of her the first day she arrived.

..... So since 2001-2007 your telling me no one made a female Dessert to do a Dessert x Dessert breeding ???

I've heard that female deserts usually don't get much bigger than 1000-1200 grams and then they stop eating and being difficult... in NERDs recent "what not to breed together" video, they say that they haven't tried desert x desert... but also that they don't want to even try it... based I think on past breeding fails (namely the ones that they discuss in the video) and the fact that nobody has come out and said that they've done it yet.

So essentially, what you're saying...

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..... So since 2001-2007 your telling me no one made a female Dessert to do a Dessert x Dessert breeding
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Good luck with this project, it would be awesome to see the results.

Nice!! Can't wait to see the results!

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..... So since 2001-2007 your telling me no one made a female Dessert to do a Dessert x Dessert breeding ???

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I am in complete agreement with you on this point, but I think the pictures are trying to dispell one of the rumors of the females not achieving breeding size.

I am hoping to see some viable eggs and some awesome looking babies out of this pairing.

So now we wait.

Robyn, was she paired with anything else?:confused:

A Desert Female cannot produce a clutch:confused::confused: Why are they so expensive then? I cant believe thats true... Robyn you work at Pro Exotics yes? You guys have never had a female desert produce a clutch of healthy eggs.... ever?

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A Desert Female cannot produce a clutch:confused::confused: Why are they so expensive then? I cant believe thats true... Robyn you work at Pro Exotics yes? You guys have never had a female desert produce a clutch of healthy eggs.... ever?

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Not proven or dis-proven yet. No one REALLY knows yet, but I for one am hoping that this pairing shows us some answers.

Any news on this pairing?

Update?? Please.

update please.


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Any Ovy taken place yet?? We are waiting impatiently. LOL

so whats going on with this breeding?

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Is there any news on this pairing???:confused:

still waiting cant wait any longer

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Originally Posted by mdfreak2

still waiting cant wait any longer

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lol :P

I emailed Chad to ask for a specific update, as he is the one that works with the breeders hands on each day. We have four Desert or Desert combo females that are 2000+ grams and in the follicular window for breeding.

Chad- "I checked them today. Moving along with follicle growth. All four have bred and copped with desert combo males. Nothing is going to happen real soon but I very happy with where they are."

So its like saying that desert and desert combo females are....infertile? :confused::confused:

I hate the wait.
And I'm not even the one breeding this season. :rolleyes:

Gotta love deserts. Beautiful animals Robyn. Now if I could only get my female up to size :)

I just watch a video on world of ballpython regarding lethal combo? one of it was desert gene breed to desert gene. is it true? sir, post some picture of the clutch. thanks...

There is a Desert female clutch from another breeder due to hatch this week, and Desert females have laid good clutches before, so I would not call it a lethal combo.

I think it is important to wait until females are 2000 grams before breeding.

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There is a Desert female clutch from another breeder due to hatch this week, and Desert females have laid good clutches before, so I would not call it a lethal combo.

I think it is important to wait until females are 2000 grams before breeding.

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Any update? :)

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Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

There is a Desert female clutch from another breeder due to hatch this week, and Desert females have laid good clutches before, so I would not call it a lethal combo.

I think it is important to wait until females are 2000 grams before breeding.

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I thought that clutch was 60 days LAST week ? Is this the desert x desert posted on KS ?

Good luck with your desert pairings.

So whats going on with these? Very interested in the verdict here.

Desert rumors are confirmed or what?

Great pic Robyn, can't wait to see if she takes and what comes out :) dumb question but what is that substrate? Fine Aspen chips?

Sani-chips

Any word on this? Did she take? Thanks Robyn.

Our females are still copping. We have removed all supplemental heat in their cages, going after a new theory. Follicles have grown a bit, and cops are still occuring, but the normal rate of breeding progression is not there, which I would think has to do with lack of heat.

But the Desert females that have been bred in the past had no supplemental heat, so we are rolling with that approach. Hopefully slow and steady will get us to where we want to be. It is just extra slow.

As for the Desert clutch posted on KS, it is past hatch date, but I haven't seen a peep from that breeder again since the day he posted the clutch.

Thanks for e update, hope it works out for ya! :gj: