Please help ID my new python

Hi guys,

I am new here, and this is my first post. Let me start by stating how informative this forum has been for me and I appreciate the wealth of knowledge! :gj:

Now onto the good stuff. This weekend, after researching balls for about a year now, I finally picked up my first ball(s). I ended up with 2...although I originally only planned on one, the more the merrier! One of them is a pastel, of that I am sure, however this second one has me stumped :weirdface It was sold to me as a female woma, and I am fairly certain it is not a woma. It could be a normal, or an enchi or...well that is why I am asking! Here are some pics!

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/018.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/017-1.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/016-1.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/015-1.jpg

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :D

Just a normal

Even if it is "just" a normal, it's still a very pretty little snake! ;)

normal maybe pos.het

Wow thanks for the quick responses!!!

I only paid $100 for her and the pastel so I can't complain! Thanks again for the quick replys!

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Originally Posted by Piethon

normal maybe pos.het

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Ooops did not see normal before the poss het lol.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

No such creature :colbert:

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I'm sure he meant het for something...

Hi,

Can we see pics of the pastel?


dr del

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I'm sure he meant het for something...

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My bad :P

Either way, there's still no visible way of telling if something is het or not. ;]

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Originally Posted by BigJ

Hi guys,

I am new here, and this is my first post. Let me start by stating how informative this forum has been for me and I appreciate the wealth of knowledge! :gj:

Now onto the good stuff. This weekend, after researching balls for about a year now, I finally picked up my first ball(s). I ended up with 2...although I originally only planned on one, the more the merrier! One of them is a pastel, of that I am sure, however this second one has me stumped :weirdface It was sold to me as a female woma, and I am fairly certain it is not a woma. It could be a normal, or an enchi or...well that is why I am asking! Here are some pics!

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/018.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/017-1.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/016-1.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...RATH/015-1.jpg

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :D

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Idk I'm not really seeing normal here...I'd say the best way to know is grow him up and prove him out. I've never really seen a "wild type" pattern like that...it just jumps out and screams something else to me.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

Idk I'm not really seeing normal here...I'd say the best way to know is grow him up and prove him out. I've never really seen a "wild type" pattern like that...it just jumps out and screams something else to me.

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Those were my thoughts exactly! It really doesnt look like a normal to me (although I have a very UN-trained eye). It looks to have more color differences and has that "wild type" pattern that you describe.

EDIT: I will post some pics of the pastel tonight when she wakes up!

Normals vary alot to the point of making thoses beginners/unexpierenced think hey have something special when they dont.

its just a normal nothing more nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Piethon

normal maybe pos.het

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every single snake could be het something.... why even say that?

dorsal coloring is interesting, pattern is pretty normal while I do think it is cool. See how she develops. I'm going with just a normal for now.

I think it's a good looking normal with a somewhat unique pattern. There appear to be some normal "alien head" markings along with some interesting looking banding. It's hard to see a lot of the pattern with the positions of the snake. Definitely a nice pickup to get this and a pastel for $100. I'm with dr del though, pics of the pastel please? :D

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Originally Posted by BigJ

I will post some pics of the pastel tonight when she wakes up!

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Thats pretty funny


But being serious, Just on a hunch and strictly a hunch I bet your pastel isnt even a pastel. Why? Because you got sold a "woma" that was a normal lol

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBalls

Thats pretty funny


But being serious, Just on a hunch and strictly a hunch I bet your pastel isnt even a pastel. Why? Because you got sold a "woma" that was a normal lol

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I guess I dont get why that is funny?? :weirdface

Lol, I knew when I bought it that it wasnt a woma, but I loved the pattern, reminded me of a tiger ball. Plus I liked the alien head on the back! The pastel may not be a pastel, it doesnt have a ton of blushing, but defiantly has a lot of orange to her, I am fairly confident she is not normal at least!

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Originally Posted by BigJ

I guess I dont get why that is funny?? :weirdface

Lol, I knew when I bought it that it wasnt a woma, but I loved the pattern, reminded me of a tiger ball. Plus I liked the alien head on the back! The pastel may not be a pastel, it doesnt have a ton of blushing, but defiantly has a lot of orange to her, I am fairly confident she is not normal at least!

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I hope for your sake she is not a normal since you paid $100 for both. My normal has a lot of blushing too and especially right after he sheds he has an "orange glow" to him....but he's just a normal. As for the other one, if nothing else he has an AWESOME pattern and can probably make some really pretty babies. I'd buy one :)

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Originally Posted by BigJ

I guess I dont get why that is funny?? :weirdface

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How do you know when your snake is awake? When its moving? I hardly EVER see my snakes move... So they sleep for like 2-3 days straight?

Even if you did get two normals for $100, you're still saving money over Petco or PetSmart prices... ;) But post the pastel pics and you'll get the answers here for sure... :gj:

Hi,

It might be an idea to put up belly pics of the one already posted. :)

It does have some nice blushing in one pic so it can hardly hurt to have another look. ;)

You never know it might be a yellowbelly or something.


dr del

Yup, that's a normal. I have a male normal and a female Pastel.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/164.jpg

Ok guys, I just snapped this pic, idk if it is good enough for you, but its all I have for now! Let me know what you think!

and thanks again for all the replies, this is awesome!

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Originally Posted by BigJ

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/164.jpg

Ok guys, I just snapped this pic, idk if it is good enough for you, but its all I have for now! Let me know what you think!

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Looks like another normal :(

Pastels are yellow and have green eyes, if the eyes are dark it's definitely not a pastel. Pastels also have clear bellies, try and get belly shots of the both of them.

Hi,

It's doesn't look like a pastel to me but I am really liking the blushing and bright flames a lot.

I think I'd like a belly pic of that one too.

Either way I think you got some fine looking snakes for $100.

You got dinkers at a very minimum from my point of view.


dr del

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Originally Posted by LGray23

Looks like another normal :(

Pastels are yellow and have green eyes, if the eyes are dark it's definitely not a pastel. Pastels also have clear bellies, try and get belly shots of the both of them.

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well he does have green eyes, but it is a dark green, easily seen in the light though...I just snapped a few belly shots...I think they came out terribly, but we shall see!

My normal has dark eyes, but in the top corners of each there is a dark yellowish-green color where his stripe goes across his face. Pics of the belly and eyes would help more :)

I love the banding, flames, and blushing on the one labeled as a pastel. I'll leave the I.d. up to the experts but they are both gorgeous. I don't think $100 was too high of a price for the pair unless they were both males, which I read at least one was female. (If I read correctly..lol)

ok here are the new pics:

These are of the "woma" (lol)

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/226.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/223.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/219.jpg

These are of the "pastel"

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/216.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/217.jpg

Oh yea, sorry, they are "supposedly" both females as well....lol

The first one's pattern is absolutely beautiful, normal or not. I could look at her for hours. :D

All Normals and all need to be fattened up as their under weight.

Sorry they are both normals :(.So who was the jerk that ripped you off?

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I've never really seen a "wild type" pattern like that...it just jumps out and screams something else to me.

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I have seen many like that even owned and still own a few like this, there is nothing that screams that there is something else here all I see here is a normal ;)

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http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...sWRATH/164.jpg

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Sadly both animals are Normal which means your "pastel" was misrepresented intentionally or not hopefully you can get your money back.

I would encourage you to get them sex as well because if the morph was misrepresented chances are they are not what they are suppose to be sex wise either.

Normals go for $20 / $25 each at shows.

In the future I would recommend you to buy from a reputable breeder and you should have no problem getting a male pastel and normal female for $100.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I have seen many like that even owned and still own a few like this, there is nothing that screams that there is something else here all I see here is a normal ;)

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I was just saying I personally have not. My normal and most of the ones I have come into contact with have a ton of alien heads, so when I see the almost banded pattern it always looks funky to me.

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Originally Posted by LGray23

I was just saying I personally have not. My normal and most of the ones I have come into contact with have a ton of alien heads, so when I see the almost banded pattern it always looks funky to me.

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thats cause all normals are not made the same. I have normals some would think were a morph but yet are not.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

All Normals and all need to be fattened up as their under weight.

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I was wondering about this...they both seem to be slim...I guess I will try to feed them tonight...we shall see how that goes...

I have the guy's business card who I bought them off of, he lives 15mins away from me, I will probably send him a txt letting him know. He isnt a ball python breeder, he likes the big snakes and bought these guys off of a friend of his to help him out...so I honestly believe that he didn't know the difference...but oh well, you live and learn I guess.. :(

i have lots of normals and i love every single one of them who cares that they arnt a "Special" morph there your snakes and beautiful little guys really inless you are planning on getting into the breeding and having fun making new morphs and suff then stick with normals cause they are just as pretty. your new at this and so am i, but i just got my first morph and i paid some bucks for him but i also intend on breeding him and making new morphs. just next time if you think your getting some morphs for a really cheap price look into it first kk have fun with your little babys:P

If you have them setup properly in their own setups, they should eat no hesitations when offered tonight. Be sure to offer live till they eat well for you.

I like em both. More pictures after they settle in.

And I was right on the "pastel" not being a pastel :rolleyes:

Id call or text him and ask for some of your money back if i was you.

Well thanks for all of the help guys and gals! I just fed the light one, it slammed a fuzzie! Next up is the darker one...I have a feeling she will be a tougher sell! I will make sure to have my roommate get some glamor shots (he is a professional photographer) of the two balls when they get a little more settled in! Thanks again!

Man, I love normals. :)

Even if both are normals, and likely they are, I don't think $100 was overpaying by THAT much. Look at it this way, normals at shows are $25, pet shop normals are $75-100, split the difference and you came out about right. :P

The light one with all the blushing is especially lovely. I sincerely hope that one at least is a female, down the road a few years and she has the possibility of producing you some beautiful babies. Or, if breeding isn't your thing, she'll still be a stunning snake.

Congratulations.

Gale

I see 'normals' with interesting patterns sold for quite a bit(anyone ever see Ben Siegal's auctions? Crazy colored/patterned babies that are technically normal have gone for a LOT of money 'just in case' it could end up being genetic)

I think they are both normal but both BEAUTIFUL! I love the banded looking normals! Good luck feeding them and getting them on track! Sorry you didn't get what you expected!

honestly.. I like that first one more then the false pastel.. almost has a funky yb look.. (but we saw the belly shots, so not a yb..

both are nice looking normals.. if you are not too terrible attached though, I would return them.. you can get yourself a nice pastel for that..

well the dark one refused to eat...I figured as much, she seems really stressed. I will let her be for a few days and then try again!

I cant really take them back, I just hate the fact that I was such a newb that I got taken advantage of. I have done so much research on these guys, and should have looked at the signs, but I really do like them! The problem is that I really wanted to breed them, and now I dont even know if they are females or males, and they are just normals...so not much I can do with them...oh well, like I said, live and learn...hopefully I can get a carmel or better yet, a carmel albino in the future, I LOVE them, definitely my favorite morph!

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

I see 'normals' with interesting patterns sold for quite a bit(anyone ever see Ben Siegal's auctions? Crazy colored/patterned babies that are technically normal have gone for a LOT of money 'just in case' it could end up being genetic)

I think they are both normal but both BEAUTIFUL! I love the banded looking normals! Good luck feeding them and getting them on track! Sorry you didn't get what you expected!

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I love watching Ben's auctions, but the difference there is that those wild types being auctioned occasionally sell for a couple hundred because they are captive hatched brought in from Ghana. Obviously not all of them are from Ghana though, those tend to auction off very cheap. :)

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Originally Posted by BigJ

well the dark one refused to eat...I figured as much, she seems really stressed. I will let her be for a few days and then try again!

I cant really take them back, I just hate the fact that I was such a newb that I got taken advantage of. I have done so much research on these guys, and should have looked at the signs, but I really do like them! The problem is that I really wanted to breed them, and now I dont even know if they are females or males, and they are just normals...so not much I can do with them...oh well, like I said, live and learn...hopefully I can get a carmel or better yet, a carmel albino in the future, I LOVE them, definitely my favorite morph!

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As long as YOU like them, the price was worth it. Good luck with them both. I think they're great looking normals. :)

At the very least, you got some lovely snakes and some great dinkers. I wouldn't give up on breeding these two! They could make some gorgeous babies. And who knows? You could hit on something totally unexpected from them. :)

I chose my spider not because she was a spider, but because as soon as I held her there was an instant connection. I walked around the WHOLE reptile show, my boyfriend pointing out "how about this one?" or "this one looks great", but I just couldn't forget about her. :D There will always be another chance to get a morph. Plus now you can get a male pastel, much cheaper and still able to hit pastels/possible supers.



Just go to a show or a reputable breeder next time. ;)

You know, this kind of reminds me of how I ended up with my pastel male.

Here is a link to that thread:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-you-at-a-show

Gale

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Originally Posted by BigJ

well the dark one refused to eat...I figured as much, she seems really stressed. I will let her be for a few days and then try again!

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Give her a week of quiet, no touching. Change her water and that is it! Then let her eat in peace. Some snakes need a little time to settle in. She needs to be secure and calm to eat. From the sound of it, the guy who sold them to you didn't really know much about Balls, so maybe she needs someone who is more focused on the species. It sounds like you have done research and that is great! They are both good looking snakes, if a little skinny and I bet they will grow up to look very nice. Keep in mind, these guys live a long time. As tempting as it is to mess with them while they are cute and tiny, it often stresses them out. Give her some space and time to settle down and I'm sure she'll do fine!