ball python female or is she a male trying to breed with my pastel male im lost

i have a male pastel thats about 1200g and a normal female thats 1500g.now my question is would the female try rubing her spurs on the male?she keeps try to put her tail under his tail.he seems like he lazy and not interested but she wants it bad.lol.but i thought males are the ones that do the spur rubing and all that so now im thinking the female is realy a male and thinks my male pastel is a female.im lost.lolplz help:confused:

She is just scenting. She's trying to let him know, "I'm ready right now!" hahaha

That's funny. He is being lazy...

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she is just scenting. She's trying to let him know, "i'm ready right now!" hahaha

that's funny. He is being lazy...

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yeah very lazy.he shows no intrest and she all over him like beggin him for it.lolhe just stays still barley even moves.when hes in his tank he moves around for alittle and then back to bein lazy.his color is awsome nevr seen a pastel like him befor and i want to breed him but hes playing hard to get.

I would double check the sexes of your snakes.

Females don't try to lock males, double check your sex's.

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Females don't try to lock males, double check your sex's.

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WELL I WENT AND LOOKED AT THEM AND I BELIVE THEY ARE LOCKED I BEEN TRYING TO SEE IFF THEY ARE BUT ITS VERY HARD TO SEE BUT THERE TAILS ARE TOGETHER AND BEEN THAT WAY SINCE LAST NIGHT.BUT I WAS TOLD THAT SHE WONT BE GRAVID AND ISNT GOING TO HAVE EGGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A INNER CLOCK AND ITS NOT OCT,NOV WHEN THEY BREED.SO IDK IF I SHOULD JUST TAKE THE MALE OUT AND WAIT TIL OCT OR WHAT...:confused:

They'll breed year around, you have a better chance in the winter months yes.
I'm still breeding numerous snakes.
So does the pastel have his tail under or does the normal have the tail under :)

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They'll breed year around, you have a better chance in the winter months yes.
I'm still breeding numerous snakes.
So does the pastel have his tail under or does the normal have the tail under :)

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It looks like a lock to me, is the pastels tail under or?
Can you take a pic that's not so up close :)

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it looks like a lock to me, is the pastels tail under or?
Can you take a pic that's not so up close :)

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the male pastel tail is on top and female normal on the bottom.dont realy want to keep bothering them so if i can get better shots later ill post them.

I would definitely get them resexed just to be sure. It's not unheard of for two males to lock..

Case in point:
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These are both very much male. They were separated soon after these pics were taken and the pied was moved to my het pied female's tub where he quickly started courting her. Up until that point he had completely ignored her for several weeks.

Males will lock with other males if they are really horny. Females will try to get lazy males to lock , but from what I've seen it seems to mostly involve nudging them and shoving their head underneath the male's body.

Anyway, the snake with its tail on the bottom is definitely a male. The snake on top could be either gender.

Het pied male locking with het lavender male when I withheld their girlfriends from them.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_1...0/IMG_3827.JPG

...Dang, Quiet Tempest, that is a pretty colored pied! What do his pied babies look like?

Looking at your pictures the normal is trying to lock up the pastel, that tells me the normal is a male ;)
I have yet to see a female even try to wrap up a male.

congrats on the lock :D unless they are dudes.. then congrats on a life lesson :P

can't hurt to double check the sexes!!!

well the pastel is a deff a male the original owner i got him from has paper work from the breeder to prove it.the female normal was sexed from the original owner that had her since a baby told me it was a deff female.it took me some time to get her from the lady but i traded her a normal baby male i had for the big female.but i will deff check them when there done doin there thing.its crazy. i thought males no the diffrence between a male and female.

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Males will lock with other males if they are really horny. Females will try to get lazy males to lock , but from what I've seen it seems to mostly involve nudging them and shoving their head underneath the male's body.

Anyway, the snake with its tail on the bottom is definitely a male. The snake on top could be either gender.

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she was rubbing him and nudging him.idk ill check when i see them apart.

This photo tells the whole story, that normal is trying to or already has locked up the pastel, females do not do this, males do.
If the pastel is a male you're not going to make any babies this way :P
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You should look up some popping videos on Youtube. Ralph Davis has a couple of good ones. Or, have someone (like a breeder) show you how, or do it for you.

At this point, the male should have sperm plugs come out when you try to pop them. You don't even need to get the hemipenes out, just see if sperm plugs come out. It's a dead giveaway for a male...

Since you know the pastel is def. a male, try him first and see if sperm plugs come out. He is definitely big enough to have them. Then you can see what they look like.

The pastel is a male and the normal is a female.i just probed them.i took the male out for some r&r. I know the three days on 3 days off rule. I have books and done alot of reading but i want to learn tricks of the trade.if there is any.

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...Dang, Quiet Tempest, that is a pretty colored pied! What do his pied babies look like?

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Thanks. He's on loan to me so I won't know what his babies look like for a little while yet. ;)

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well the pastel is a deff a male the original owner i got him from has paper work from the breeder to prove it.the female normal was sexed from the original owner that had her since a baby told me it was a deff female.it took me some time to get her from the lady but i traded her a normal baby male i had for the big female.but i will deff check them when there done doin there thing.its crazy. i thought males no the diffrence between a male and female.

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Paperwork doesn't guarantee gender. Snakes that are sexed as female should really be sexed as "probable female" until she produces a clutch of eggs. Just my thought on the matter. I've heard from so many people who are frustrated after purchasing a female this or that only to find out later on that it's actually a male. Breeders can/do/will make mistakes.

Males that are sparring will lock, as is the case in the pic I posted earlier of the pied and pastel males. They are both boys, no doubt about it. The pied definitely has no affection for that pastel, either. That lock in the photo was preceded by just a few minutes of thrashing and puffing by both boys. It was really the only thing that put the pied into breeding mode.

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you should look up some popping videos on youtube. Ralph davis has a couple of good ones. Or, have someone (like a breeder) show you how, or do it for you.

At this point, the male should have sperm plugs come out when you try to pop them. You don't even need to get the hemipenes out, just see if sperm plugs come out. It's a dead giveaway for a male...

Since you know the pastel is def. A male, try him first and see if sperm plugs come out. He is definitely big enough to have them. Then you can see what they look like.

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i probed them both and the pastel is a male the probe only went in alittle bit as for the normal it went alot further then the male did so shes deff a she.im going to do it again just to double check but im a 100% as of right now.

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i probed them both and the pastel is a male the probe only went in alittle bit as for the normal it went alot further then the male did so shes deff a she.im going to do it again just to double check but im a 100% as of right now.

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You've got the sexes backwards - male's probe deep, females probe shallow. The probe is essentially gliding down into an inverted hemipene - so it will go further. The female just has tiny pockets where the male's hemipenes are.

http://www.vpi.com/publications/dete..._sex_of_snakes

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You've got the sexes backwards - male's probe deep, females probe shallow. The probe is essentially gliding down into an inverted hemipene - so it will go further. The female just has tiny pockets where the male's hemipenes are.

http://www.vpi.com/publications/dete..._sex_of_snakes

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your right i mixed them up when i typed it.male went pretty deep Female went vey little.sorry for THE mix up guys.nEWBIE ErROR.lol

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your right i mixed them up when i typed it.male went pretty deep Female went vey little.sorry for THE mix up guys.nEWBIE ErROR.lol

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We all start somewhere. Don't sweat it. ;)

Suprised nobody has mentioned clenching males that won't let you probe them and deep probing females. I have one that goes 5 and 6 scales that gave me 8 eggs last year.........


I'd try and squeeze some plugs out to be sure.

I wonder if they are just Elton John......:D

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I wonder if they are just Elton John......:D

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I'd put money on it...:P

how come this person asked a question about her pythons being put together and they dont know that there pythons sexes are and they dont get freaked out on but i put a question on and i get reamed out cause i put a snake in with a snake??

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how come this person asked a question about her pythons being put together and they dont know that there pythons sexes are and they dont get freaked out on but i put a question on and i get reamed out cause i put a snake in with a snake??

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You didn't "get reamed out" because you put a snake in with a snake. Your husbandry was brought into question when 1) you did not quarantine, 2) you made light of the necessity to quarantine and 3) you were/are co-habitating snakes.

Yours are beginner's mistakes and nothing to get so worked up over. An error was pointed out in your husbandry. You can either choose to correct it and move on or continue to argue over it and not get anywhere. :confuzd:

Well i had a breeder who has been doing this for a number of yrs check the snakes sex and the pastel is male and the normal is a female.my question is since they locked up will she have eggs.i herd from diff people that she will and some said she wont because it only starts in oct.the way i look at it if they locked up then she can become pregnant and will have eggs.

I would prepare for eggs either way.... You are better safe than sorry....

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I would prepare for eggs either way.... You are better safe than sorry....

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OH I AM. IM IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A INCUBATOR OUT OF A FRIDGE.ALREADY HAVE IT GUTED OUT AND CLEAN.JUST WAITING FOR MY Vivarium Electronics VE-300 THERMOSTAT, 11" HEAT TAPE AND FANS,ETC.STARTED TAKING PICS OF THE PROJECT SO ILL POST THEM LATER.

Sounds good....

+1000000 on preparing for eggs.

Truth is, she may or may not become gravid and lay eggs. Just because she locked doesn't mean she'll lay eggs, or that the eggs will be good eggs.

However, just like in humans or any other species, if they're locking up, there's a chance of becoming gravid and laying eggs. The chance is actually a good chance.

As for the October thing, that's a joke, from what I keep reading. Breeder after breeder answers your type of question over and over with the fact that they breed year round. In fact, many are hatching clutches nearly every month of the year. IN THE WILD, they typically lock in the fall, build in the winter, and lay in early spring. But your habitat is not the wild. Likely, your snakes were captive bred and hatched. They've never been in the wild. If they feel they're ready to breed, they'll breed, regardless of the time of year...

I'm not all that convinced that breeding is most successful in the fall and winter. It's not my experience, and others say it goes year round. That being the case, I'd prepare for eggs well before they come. Get the incubator set up, tweaked, and completely ready. Good luck on your pairing, and above all, have fun with it!

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+1000000 on preparing for eggs.

Truth is, she may or may not become gravid and lay eggs. Just because she locked doesn't mean she'll lay eggs, or that the eggs will be good eggs.

However, just like in humans or any other species, if they're locking up, there's a chance of becoming gravid and laying eggs. The chance is actually a good chance.

As for the October thing, that's a joke, from what I keep reading. Breeder after breeder answers your type of question over and over with the fact that they breed year round. In fact, many are hatching clutches nearly every month of the year. IN THE WILD, they typically lock in the fall, build in the winter, and lay in early spring. But your habitat is not the wild. Likely, your snakes were captive bred and hatched. They've never been in the wild. If they feel they're ready to breed, they'll breed, regardless of the time of year...

I'm not all that convinced that breeding is most successful in the fall and winter. It's not my experience, and others say it goes year round. That being the case, I'd prepare for eggs well before they come. Get the incubator set up, tweaked, and completely ready. Good luck on your pairing, and above all, have fun with it!

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i cant wait.i hope she lays eggs.ill keep you guys up to date on what the outcome is.i also put my het pieds together.heres a question what do you guys think the outcome would be for me to get a pied with two hets?

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i cant wait.i hope she lays eggs.ill keep you guys up to date on what the outcome is.i also put my het pieds together.heres a question what do you guys think the outcome would be for me to get a pied with two hets?

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100% het x 100% het gives each egg a 25% chance of being the visual morph. I'd definitely recommend raising your female to a good size before pairing her with the other het so that she may produce a larger clutch (and increase your chances at getting the morph you want).

Each egg will have a 25% chance of being the pied. So, with 4 eggs, you may have 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 pieds. Each has its own 25% chance, and each is not related to the outcome of the other.

I've still got my money on that normal being a male :P

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I've still got my money on that normal being a male :P

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well we'll see.animals sometimes can throw you off from the normal breeding and have you think diffrent.. they were checked so only time will tell.

i decided to put my het pieds pair together just to see if the would lock up last night and this morning and this is what i found.

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Good luck with getting some pieds!

I have this guy that swears i wont get eggs till oct.has anyone breed in other months. I live in florida and the temp been about mid 80's to 90's and night lows around mid 7o's to low 70's.humid is around 35-65-74 it veries on the day.my heat pads havent been on in over a week.the whole set up is in my garage. They eat every week.and tanks are cleaned every other week.they all eat asf rats that i breed except one female that like just mice that i also breed.so makes no sence if the temp is close to there natural temp give or take some degrees.idk whats you guys intake

I have the best luck pairing my snakes in Autumn and Winter. I get eggs sometime during Spring and hatchlings in Summer. If you're pairing now, then it would make sense to expect eggs later in the season.

well i decided to double check the sexes of the two.the pastel is male 100% and the female turned out to be a male.snake back mountin goin on in my cage.it just seemed realy weird especialy when the male pastel was tryin everything to avoid him.lol i just hope i didnt tramatize him.lol

Lol, don't worry, everyone makes mistakes, and I'm sure your boy will recover.

At least female normals don't cost a lot, you can get another and retire your newly discovered male as a pet. You might even be able to spring for a female morph for that pastel boy to court to make it up to him ;)

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Lol, don't worry, everyone makes mistakes, and I'm sure your boy will recover.

At least female normals don't cost a lot, you can get another and retire your newly discovered male as a pet. You might even be able to spring for a female morph for that pastel boy to court to make it up to him ;)

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that is true.