WHat to breed to get a Piebalds?

I want to buy a male and female to breed and make Piebalds but I am not sure what I should be looking for exactly..I have an idea but I don't want to guess:confused: and be wrong!

Thanks!

A male and female het pied....

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Originally Posted by Jessicamarie

I want to buy a male and female to breed and make Piebalds but I am not sure what I should be looking for exactly..I have an idea but I don't want to guess:confused: and be wrong!

Thanks!

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You will need to buy either snakes that are visual piebalds or snakes that are het for piebald. Or a combination of visuals and hets.

You will of course need at least one male and one female. :P

Hets, just in case you are not familiar with them, are animals that recessively carry the gene, in this case piebald, but do not visually express the gene.

Hope this helps,

John

Thanks! So I would much rather two that show visuals then just a het for piebald. Then the clutch would more likely yield visual piebalds.

So what is the difference between a het for piebald and a het pied? Thats what I was actually stuck on.

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Originally Posted by Jessicamarie

Thanks! So I would much rather two that show visuals then just a het for piebald. Then the clutch would more likely yield visual piebalds.

So what is the difference between a het for piebald and a het pied? Thats what I was actually stuck on.

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If you breed 2 visual piebalds, all of the babies will be piebalds.

If you breed a visual piebald to a het piebald, 50% of the babies should be piebalds.

If you breed 2 het piebalds, 25% of the babies should be piebalds.

Pied is just a short name for Piebald, nothing else. It would be like calling someone named Jennifer, Jenn.

Hope this helps,

John

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Originally Posted by Jessicamarie

Thanks! So I would much rather two that show visuals then just a het for piebald. Then the clutch would more likely yield visual piebalds.

So what is the difference between a het for piebald and a het pied? Thats what I was actually stuck on.

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They are the same thing. Piebald has been shortened to pied for most conversations.

Regards,

B

They both yield pieds, if the het pieds are 100% het for pied then they will produce visual pieds. And yes, piebald and pied are the same thing, some are lazy like me and it's easier to say/type pied. :D

Het Pied and Het for Pied are the same thing really. A het pied looks like a normal ball python, If you wanted a pastel or some other snake that has the pied gene a lot of people say it's a pastel het for pied. It's just the way it's worded. One warning, if you do get Het pieds make SURE it's from a reputable breeder. You really can't tell a normal from a het. There are a few markers to look for but none of them are 100%. Personally I went with visual pied. I know it cost me more to start out but i also know 100% they are pieds.

Thank you guys! You are all so very helpful! I think I have a full understanding now..well atleast until I get them home and start the breeding process and then I will be learning all over again!:D

I might should put this in my original message but I dont know if i can edit that one so I will ask here and then go check! Any suggestions on a reputable/ trustworthy breeder that has het pieds for sale? Any suggestions on where to look for piebalds that are visual that won't rip me a new one, so to speak?

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Originally Posted by Jessicamarie

Thank you guys! You are all so very helpful! I think I have a full understanding now..well atleast until I get them home and start the breeding process and then I will be learning all over again!:D

I might should put this in my original message but I dont know if i can edit that one so I will ask here and then go check! Any suggestions on a reputable/ trustworthy breeder that has het pieds for sale? Any suggestions on where to look for piebalds that are visual that won't rip me a new one, so to speak?

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I purchased my het piebald pair from Paul Fisher. He is a great guy to work with and my pair has produce a piebald for me. I would not hesitate to purchase a het from Paul in the future.

Here is his web site:

www.piedpeddler.com

John

You won't find a good visual pied for less than $900 this year I don't think. Het for pieds you can easily get a pair for $300-400. Define ripping you a new one? lol

I have seen male piebalds for as low as 650 for a low white. A young het. pied will go for around 200. Just look on kingsnake.com and Faunaclassifeds.... Find a breeder with a good reputation if you are looking at a het. If you can't trust the breeder don't buy from them.....

If you want top of the line pieds get them from Pete Khal his website is www.pkreptiles.com he started the pieds great breeder and a good friend and i think he has a deal going on for het pied females. I got all my pieds from him and he has the best in my opinion.
Hope this helps
Luis Alonso
www.luisalonsoexotics.com

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Originally Posted by Luis Alonso Exotics

If you want top of the line pieds get them from Pete Khal his website is www.pkreptiles.com he started the pieds great breeder and a good friend and i think he has a deal going on for het pied females. I got all my pieds from him and he has the best in my opinion.
Hope this helps
Luis Alonso
www.luisalonsoexotics.com

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I got mine from Pete as well, and she's gorgeous.

Annarose, Pete has some pretties! I might just buy from him because I found a male I really like! can you tell me, since you bought one from him, how is the temperment of your snake?

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Originally Posted by Jessicamarie

Annarose, Pete has some pretties! I might just buy from him because I found a male I really like! can you tell me, since you bought one from him, how is the temperment of your snake?

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She's still young (hatched in August), so she's a little shy, but I've noticed that all of mine get more calm with age. She has never struck at me.

The specific breeder doesn't say anything for the temperament of a snake. :P I have six from the same breeder and they are all different.

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Originally Posted by Misfit

The specific breeder doesn't say anything for the temperament of a snake. :P I have six from the same breeder and they are all different.

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+1 and the temperament can change also, I've had one that was literally a ball 24/7 scared to death of me and he's now the sweetest thing ever, even lets my son hold him lol. Temperament depends on the snake itself, not necessarily the breeder. :)

I would recommend getting a female Pied or Het Pied first. Females take up to 3 years before they are ready for breeding where males can breed in a year or sometimes less. Personally I would get a het pied female and then a visual pied male. I think that is the best bang for your buck! If you can afford to buy both visual pieds then you will produce all pied babies. Also alot of breeders will give you a deal if you buy a male/female pair! A friend of mine bought a female pied and asked the breeder to through in a het pied male for free and he did! Talk to many breeders and see who will give you the best deal! Brian at BHB, Ralph Davis and Brian Gundy are some good breeders!

oh very good idea seeya! there are so many options out there! I will consider contacting some breeders to get a two for 1 kind of deal! never hurts to ask that is for sure