Mites...Mites.... EVERYWHERE!!

So I got this ball python this past weekend at a reptile show and hes been soaking in his water dish for hours every day.... so today finally I am able to spot the mites... im amazed... I set him down on something white and they pour off him. They were inside his hides and everything.... everything inside the cage is in process of either being bleached or baked in the oven.... what else can I do other then cleaning out the enclosure... I feel horrible for the snake. Also feel really bad for my corn snake I traded the guy as he put him right back in the cage the ball was in so im sure he has mites now to.... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! :please:

I've heard good things about this product called Provent A Mite (people correct me if I'm wrong....isn't this one used by a lot of people??) It quickly kills mites.
http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/...-and-cleaners/

You will not get rid of them just by cleaning out the enclosure, you will need a mite killer. Here is a youtube video by BHB on health issues, including mites. He tells you exactly how to use the mite killer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCnPfuqaBM

It is sad that a breeder would knowingly sell a bp with mites, they could have at least warned you before you brought him/her home :( how sad and uncomfortable.

I use provent-a-mite whenever I bring home something from a show, it works really well :gj:

order directly from the manufacture. Resellers of the product jack the price beyond the manufacture.

www.pro-products.com

What do I clean the wood melamine enclosure with? I bought this mite off by zoomed but may take it back before using after reading that they dont work.

I had a similar problem when I brought my burm home. :/ He was covered.

I soaked him for an hour+ every ten days while I PAM-ed his enclosure. (provent-a-mite, btw ;] hehe) It has worked like a charm after a few sessions. I have reptile spray/relief as well, but my snake is a snarky one and liked to bite me when I tried to paper towel it unto him, lol. <3

It works as well, though. :] I've used it with my balls cause they're a whole lot nicer than Mister Burm.

I agree that you can use reptile relief spray as a temporary fix, and it can be sprayed on a paper towel or washcloth to wipe the snake down to kill the mites, but it doesn't kill the eggs. I stand by Provent-a-Mite. That stuff is THE product to use to get rid of mites. I had a bad infestation at one point and one application is all it took to get rid of them.

How long will the mites last if theres no reptile or anything in the enclosure?

Mites travel very far and can live days without a host. They also can become dormant and move about in the air just like dust particles.

Well WTF do I do then? JESUS!

Can I get rid of the snake... and get a new one and spray it with provent-a-mite and make sure the cage is well cleaned??

I just wont want the mites anymore or have a chance of not completely getting them off the snake.

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

Can I get rid of the snake... and get a new one and spray it with provent-a-mite and make sure the cage is well cleaned??

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Why would you want to do that? Just get the provent a mite and don't use it sparingly. Buy 2 or 3 if you have to. That stuff can kill anything. People get rid of very large mite infestations all the time without getting rid of all their snakes.

I only have 1 snake.... I can afford 1 bottle so thats what I bought. Sorry... my wife would kill me if she knew I bought just the 1 bottle. Im trying my best to get rid of these dang mites.

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

I only have 1 snake.... I can afford 1 bottle so thats what I bought. Sorry... my wife would kill me if she knew I bought just the 1 bottle. Im trying my best to get rid of these dang mites.

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I've never had to use it (knock on wood) but from what I understand the mites don't stand a chance with it. Just treat the snake and the enclosure and area according to the directions and people that have used it and you and your snake should be just fine.

When using Provent a Mite never spray it on the snake. Take the snake out and soak it in warm water. Take out the water bowl and spray everything inside the cage. Let it dry and then return the snake and water bowl. Should notice mites dieing in next 24-48hours

What a MESS! Caused a HUGE fight between me and my wife... she always complains about spending money and now the mites has her freaked out that they are everywhere in the house... so not ONLY is my only snake gone but I cant get another for awhile.... such a bummer... I loved my ball python even tho Ive only had him a few days, she just doesnt understand pets... she said she cant sink money into something that has no purpose but laying there... well its something your husband likes isnt that enough?? :( Blah im so done with all of this... thanks ALOT reptile man at the reptile show.:please::tears:

So if I ever get another snake how do I be sure he doesnt have mites? Just use the prevent a mite in the cage? Is there anything I can spray on the snake? Zoo Med Mite Off??

Just treat the enclosure with Provent-a-Mite before you bring the snake home, just as a precaution. If you PAM the enclosure and let it dry the day before you bring the snake home, even if it DOES have mites, the PAM should kill them...

IMO, it kinda sucks that you got rid of the snake before even trying the suggestions offered. I can understand an angry wife, but man...

She literally said it was me or the snake... I had NO CHOICE...

Even treating the snake she said he had to go... :( Trust me man I didnt want to! I just bought him man and had to give the snake away.:tears:

Oh, and just out of curiosity, how did you get rid of the snake within 2.5 hours of posting this thread? Did you put it on CL and dump the problem on someone else? Did you tell whoever has the snake now about the mite problem? Did you let the snake go outside? I'm just curious because it seems like a very hasty decision and the snake was gone so fast, I'm wondering what became of it...

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

She literally said it was me or the snake... I had NO CHOICE...

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I hear ya man. I'm not passing judgement or anything. I just know that while my wife doesn't necessarily share my passion for snakes, she understands that they make me happy and that's enough. I totally feel for ya man...

What did you do with your snake? To my understanding this happens to people. they wouldn't sell the mite killer product if it didn't. Kids get lice! You don't get rid of them you treat them :)

A buddy of mine has a few snakes and had the provent-a-mite stuff as well as some other stuff he knows how to treat them and he had a spare setup so he took him.

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Originally Posted by DellaF

What did you do with your snake? To my understanding this happens to people. they wouldn't sell the mite killer product if it didn't. Kids get lice! You don't get rid of them you treat them :)

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I like that thinking but a pet to my wife is nothing.... she doesnt understand why I like them or cannot see putting any money into something in a cage.

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

A buddy of mine has a few snakes and had the provent-a-mite stuff as well as some other stuff he knows how to treat them and he had a spare setup so he took him.

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Cool. Just a snake guy concerned for the well being of the snake. Sounds like he went to someone who has the experience to take care of the problem. Maybe you can talk to him (and probably the wife too) to see if he'd consider letting you take him back once the mites are gone...

Knowing him he will sell it before I get the chance.... not really a close buddy but he knew how to treat the problem and I didnt want the snake to suffer or go into the wrong hands. Id hate for anyone to get infested...

He just left... :( Im so bummed but know hes in better hands. There were still mites coming off him after soaking him. I smashed a few and they were full of blood.

Sorry to hear you had to give up your snake, but I guess you knew what was best. Mites are a nasty headache to deal with, but as other said prevent a mite is an amazing product. I’ve never had any mite problems with my snake, but when I use to work with reptiles I sure had my experience with mite invasions! Not fun at all! Especially when the Burmese Python gets them!

In the future, take a look around nasal passages, and the scales under the chin/neck especially. This is where you are most likely to see them if they have mites.

I pull my sleeves back any time I am at a reptile show, and if I handle any animals, they don't touch my clothes, just because I want any potential issues having less of a chance of hitching a ride home. I used hand sanitizer religiously, and if I buy an animal, they get a mite check and a respiratory check before I commit to anything.

Sorry about this whole situation. Better luck in the future.

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

He just left... :( Im so bummed but know hes in better hands. There were still mites coming off him after soaking him. I smashed a few and they were full of blood.

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I'm a lil late for you, but another thing you can do to find out if your snake has snakes is to put it in a warm water tub with a lil bit of betadine. Just enough betadine in the water to make it dark enough that you can't see through it. This makes the mites let loose from the snake. Its by no means a total treatment for mites but it does offer the snake quite a bit of relief while the p.a.m. has time to work and kill the mites in their enclosure.

I guess I am late to the party... Provent a mite is awesome... But the walgreens lice bedding spray or even the equate brand is the same thing alot cheaper (and easier to get)

IMO you really need to have a sit Dow with the wife and have a good talk about respect for each others passions. A marriage is not going to last without that mutual respect. If you love animals and want to have a pet, your wife should try to respect that. Asking you to leave over the animal is not only totally disrespectful it is downright immature. Just some food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Bdubedub

So if I ever get another snake how do I be sure he doesnt have mites? Just use the prevent a mite in the cage? Is there anything I can spray on the snake? Zoo Med Mite Off??

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Just fyi.... if you do get a new one, you should make sure you have some money set aside for this stuff. Even a snake that has never had mites can suddenly turn up with them.

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Originally Posted by Johan

IMO you really need to have a sit Dow with the wife and have a good talk about respect for each others passions. A marriage is not going to last without that mutual respect. If you love animals and want to have a pet, your wife should try to respect that. Asking you to leave over the animal is not only totally disrespectful it is downright immature. Just some food for thought.

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i had to convince my bf (we live together) to let me get one because at first he said no, but we talked it out, and eventually he said yes. it is a respect thing, your wife doesnt have to like snakes, but she does have to respect the fact that YOU do

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i had to convince my bf (we live together) to let me get one because at first he said no, but we talked it out, and eventually he said yes. it is a respect thing, your wife doesnt have to like snakes, but she does have to respect the fact that YOU do

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exactly. my girlfriend doesn't share the obsession that I have but she definitely takes an avid role in my snake breeding world. honestly if she wasn't okay with my snakes coming along with me then I wouldn't be moving in with her in less than a month. it's all about respect for each others passions.


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I just had the same problem this week, I phone around and everyone said to get Nix, you know, for human lice. It kills the mites and the eggs and its cheap. There is a video on the net somewhere and it explains how to do it.
Basically what I did was, dumped 1/4 the bottle into a big spray bottle with fresh bottled or distilled water, then sprayed everything in the cage, left it for 20 mins, then wiped it out and did it again including the paper towels that they will be laying on, then you leave it.
I bathed and sprayed my snake in it as well, Diluted of course. Then I put him in the tank un washed.
Don't put his water bowl in untill the next day or when everthing has dryed naturally.
The next day, changes the paper towels and put in fresh ones.
Then I think you repeat the process once a week up to 3 times total.
This is just my first week, but I haven't seen a mite since. But you have to reapeat it next week for sure because you never know if there's an egg lurking around that might hatch.

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Originally Posted by ocean girl

I just had the same problem this week, I phone around and everyone said to get Nix, you know, for human lice. It kills the mites and the eggs and its cheap. There is a video on the net somewhere and it explains how to do it.
Basically what I did was, dumped 1/4 the bottle into a big spray bottle with fresh bottled or distilled water, then sprayed everything in the cage, left it for 20 mins, then wiped it out and did it again including the paper towels that they will be laying on, then you leave it.
I bathed and sprayed my snake in it as well, Diluted of course. Then I put him in the tank un washed.
Don't put his water bowl in untill the next day or when everthing has dryed naturally.
The next day, changes the paper towels and put in fresh ones.
Then I think you repeat the process once a week up to 3 times total.
This is just my first week, but I haven't seen a mite since. But you have to reapeat it next week for sure because you never know if there's an egg lurking around that might hatch.

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Provent a mite and the cheap wannabe Nix DO NOT KILL MITE EGGS. It stops the cycle of newly hatched mites from laying eggs. Once they hatch they die before laying more eggs, thus killing off your problem.

Nothing kills the eggs

Here is what I read.

Snake Mites (Ophionyssus Natricis)


Mites are ectoparasites that subsist on blood. They are host-specific, which means that they only feed on one type of animal. Snake mites will not affect lizards, nor will they affect humans or other household pets like cats and dogs.

Mites can be identified as tiny black dots, much like a speck of dirt. However, unlike dirt, mites MOVE and will burst with a small red smear when squished against a hard surface (the remnants of their last meal). Mites can often be spotted crawling around a snake’s back or head area and on cage walls. For every mite you can see on your snake, there are likely dozens more that aren’t visible, that are hidden while feeding under your snake’s scales. These resilient parasites are commonly known as the "plague of snake keepers". Really, with sound treatment and quarantine practices, this shouldn’t be the case.

Snake mites have been known to transfer disease in snakes, much like mosquitoes can with humans (malaria) and with dogs (heartworm). If unchecked, mites on just one snake in one terrarium can multiply geometrically and establish themselves in an entire collection of several terrariums and dozens of snakes in a matter of a week or two. This is a problem that is unique to snakes in captivity. Wild snakes are able to keep these parasites in check through shedding their skin and leaving most mites behind. On the other hand, captive snakes are forced in close quarters with their shed skin and mites, thereby facilitation reinfestation.

Mites will eventually overrun a snake in captivity to the point that their host becomes irritated, mildly anemic and therefore lethargic. Infested snakes are often found to soak for extended periods in water in a vain effort to drown the mites on its body, only to be reinfested once it emerges. Snakes in this situation will seldom eat, or even refuse to eat altogether, due to stress and discomfort.

Why Nix?
Nix was designed to treat human head lice and their nits (eggs). The one characteristic that separates the Nix method for treating snake mites from other mite remedies is its effectiveness at killing live mites AND mite eggs. All other mite remedies to my knowledge do not destroy mite eggs. As such, I have found the Nix method to be extremely effective at eradicating serious mite infestations. I even know of a pet store manager who sells several commercially produced mite remedies, yet uses the Nix method on imported snakes arriving at his store. Another pro to using Nix is economics. Around $12 will produce 4 litres of solution – much more than the largest private collection will ever require.

There exists a popular reptile care site on the Internet that discusses the toxicity of Nix, but in the two cases cited, Nix was spread over the infested snakes in full concentration. Common sense should dictate that reptiles and amphibians coming in direct contact with any fully concentrated chemical that does not occur in their natural environment would yield deleterious, if not downright fatal, results. The use of Nix discussed below involves a diluted solution (1 part Nix to 68 parts water) that has never produced adverse reactions in any python or boa in my collection over the course of 6 years. In fact, some snakes in my collection are proactively treated every 6 months as they make appearances at semi-annual reptile shows and I am not willing to risk the chance of mites from other exhibitors making their way into my collection. Even routine treatments on these boas and pythons over the course of several years have yet to result in any negative effects.
Materials
• Spray bottle. Preferably one that has never been used, or at the very least, one that has never contained harsh chemicals and has been thoroughly rinsed.
• 56 g (59 ml) bottle of Nix. I have only ever found this one particular size of Nix, which can be sourced at most drug stores and some pharmacy sections of grocery stores for anywhere from $6-$12.
• 4L (1 Gallon) jug of distilled water. Distilled water should be used to extend the shelf life of the solution. With distilled water, the solution’s effectiveness is expected to last up to 12 months as long as the solution is stored at room temperature and in a covered box (light breaks down the active ingredient found in Nix). Although, with one treatment and sound quarantine practices, the first treatment should be all that is necessary.

Creating the Nix Solution
• Pour the Nix cream into the 4L jug of distilled water. Nix is a fairly thick cream substance, so it may take a couple minutes to transfer as much of the cream into the jug of distilled water as possible.
• Replace the cap on the jug of distilled water and shake until the Nix cream is evenly distributed throughout the water. Again, this may take a few minutes due to the thick consistency of Nix.
• Pour the Nix solution into a spray bottle.

Eradicating Snake Mites
• If snake mites are only found on one snake or only in one snake enclosure, it is wise to conclude that mites have infested ALL snakes and their enclosures that are contained within the same room. Mites may have also transferred to snakes housed in another room by "hitchhiking on your hands or clothes. Therefore, absolutely all snakes and their terrariums should be treated to ensure 100% effectiveness.
• First, remove the snake from the enclosure and place in a Rubbermaid container. Spray the snake liberally with the Nix solution. Do not avoid spraying this solution on their head, eyes and heat pits – in fact, this is where mites commonly hide so spraying the head area is essential.
• Remove all substrate from the terrarium and throw away. Do not leave the garbage bag containing this old substrate anywhere in the house.
• Spray the entire enclosure, inside and out, including all cage furniture (branches, hide boxes, water bowl, etc.) and glass viewing area. Make sure that all corners and crevices are well covered with Nix solution, as this is where mites and their eggs are often hiding. Even spray the outside back of the cage and a 2-foot perimeter around the cage on the floor. The Nix residue that forms after drying is thought to even be effective at killing mites hiding out elsewhere in the room that may attempt to re-enter the snake cage.
• Replace the substrate with paper, preferably paper towel, as it is easy to spot mites on this. It is essential to use paper until you are absolutely certain that full eradication has been accomplished. I suggest waiting 3 weeks after the last live mite is spotted before using non-paper substrate.
• Remove water bowl from cage and replace, filled with water, 24 hours later. This ensures that the Nix solution is not washed off the snake by soaking in the water bowl before the active ingredient has had a chance to destroy all mites hiding under its scales.
• Return the snake to its enclosure and spray it, the cage, furniture and paper one more time.
• When the snake defecates during treatment, remove the paper and clean the messed area as usual, but be sure to re-spray the cleaned area and new paper with Nix solution.
• Repeat in 5-7 days twice, for a total of 3 treatments. With all likelihood, the last live mite will perish within a few hours of the first treatment, but repeating treatment is good practice in case the outbreak is severe and mites are able to re-enter cages.
Preventative Maintenance
Any snake entering a collection should be quarantined for 2-3 months, ideally in a completely separate room from where other snakes are housed, but at the very least in a separate cage. It should be assumed that any new snake has mites, regardless of how well respected the previous owner or pet store is. I have personally been let down on several occasions by leading breeders in our hobby, and from personal friends. It is my experience that employing the "better safe than sorry" approach is of paramount importance in ensuring mite breakouts never occur.

Given the above assumption new acquisitions, in addition to their cage and cage furniture, should be treated with Nix solution 3 times (one full treatment every 5-7 days). Same should hold true when a snake enters your colony for a breeding loan, even if it is your own specimen that was lent out and is returning. As previously mentioned, it is also wise to treat snakes that attend shows, where other exhibitors and spectators may have mite infestations. With the large number of people that handle your animals, or even just touch the enclosure in which your snakes are housed, the chance that a mite is hitchhiking on at least one of these snake enthusiasts at the show is good. Don’t become complacent and cut corners in this area, or you may find yourself right back where you started.

Cage furniture and substrate purchased at pet stores can also serve as mite vectors and should be treated with caution. Mite-free substrate can be purchased from pet stores that do not carry reptiles, from a livestock feed stores, or from landscape centres. Newly purchased cage furniture should be sprayed liberally with Nix solution. Highly porous cage furniture (wood hide boxes, branches, etc.) should be soaked in a 10% bleach solution for a day, then rinsed thoroughly, sprayed with Nix solution, and allowed to dry for a week.


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Article Written By: Nathan Curtis
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Snake mites are not the same as Lice and their eggs/larva. Nothing kills mite eggs.

Its not a argument over if it does or doesnt due to someone saying it did for them. It just doesnt happen at all.

Could anyone tell me is there a expiration date on the container of "Provent A Mite" or what is the shelf life of the product? I'd like to buy some just in-case I run into this problem, I'll have some available. :)

Wanted to add, theres a reason why you have to keep doing treatments every 2-3 weeks as the EGGS will hatch again and you will have more mites.

Re-treating later on will help kill the newly hatched mites before being allowed to mature and lay more EGGS

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Could anyone tell me is there a expiration date on the container of "Provent A Mite" or what is the shelf life of the product? I'd like to buy some just in-case I run into this problem, I'll have some available. :)

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There is no expiration date on it.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Snake mites are not the same as Lice and their eggs/larva. Nothing kills mite eggs.

Its not a argument over if it does or doesnt due to someone saying it did for them. It just doesnt happen at all.

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Well how do you know this? I read on site to do with the active ingredient in the nix product that it does, this is what it says,
How long does this medicine take to work?
• Permethrin cream will kill the mites and their eggs within 8-14 hours.
• Permethrin cream rinse and lotion will kill lice and their eggs within 10 minutes
So there ya go!

Forgot its on the internet so it must be true, My bad :rolleye2:

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Forgot its on the internet so it must be true, My bad :rolleye2:

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Well I guess we won't know then unless we do an experiment. I don't currently have any eggs to test out the theory, I think because they are all Dead! LOL!
Do you own a store or something? You seem pretty worked up that some people use Nix instead of reptile products!

No i dont own a store. Just i dont like when something that has not been tested/known to be safe for reptiles to be given out as a remedy to fix a serious problem.

I use what works, when the problem arises. Treat once, then retreat in 3-4 weeks to get the remainder. Done..

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Originally Posted by Johan

IMO you really need to have a sit Dow with the wife and have a good talk about respect for each others passions. A marriage is not going to last without that mutual respect. If you love animals and want to have a pet, your wife should try to respect that. Asking you to leave over the animal is not only totally disrespectful it is downright immature. Just some food for thought.

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I wasn't gonna go there, buuuut since you did. Here's my two cents worth. You hit the nail on the head. A lil communication goes a loooong way. If it's not an animal what's it gonna be later on? Communication is the key and respect for each other. Good luck in the future :)

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I wasn't gonna go there, buuuut since you did. Here's my two cents worth. You hit the nail on the head. A lil communication goes a loooong way. If it's not an animal what's it gonna be later on? Communication is the key and respect for each other. Good luck in the future :)

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Probably wasn't my place, but sometimes people need to reflect on a relationship in order for it to be successful. I have never been a person to beat around the bush when I see a strong underlying problem. If I can help, ill do my best whether well accepted or not :). I always try to remain respectful though:)