Het Pied Project - Prediction time!

This is my first breeding season and the first clutch to drop was my het pied x het pied. It's day 48, and I cannot tell you how excited I am to see these little guys hatch!

Here's the morning I found Piper as she was laying her clutch (You can probably tell in the video that it's my first time. Just a wee bit excited):D:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sg4DSaXm8w

Momma wrapping her eggs (I moved them to an incubator shortly after this):

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...0/p1010595.jpg

She layed eight eggs total, all of which have candled with strong veins and are showing movement as of three days ago. I don't have any current pics of the eggs, but I can take some and post them, if you'd like.

Here's where the story gets interesting: I trust the breeder that I got my male from (Justin from Australian Addiction Reptiles, good guys), but I got the female from an unknown guy on the local classifieds, and, looking back, I'm not sure how trustworthy he was (he tried to sell me a regular pastel as a pastel butter, for example). So there's a chance that I just wasted a breeding season by breeding het pied x normal because the female doesn't carry the gene at all. Needless to say, I've got my fingers (and toes) crossed. :please::please::please::please:

So here's the big question. How many pieds do you think I've got in there? If I got the parents right and get exactly the what the odds say, I'll get two (25%), but it's all a roll of the dice, right? Do you think I got snookered and they'll all come out visible normals? Will I get one? Two? More?

Post your best guess! I'll update with pics when things start getting exciting (Friday is day 52, so we shouldn't have to wait too much longer). :rolleyes:

I will guess 3 visuals 5 poss. hets.

Cool Vid!

I hope you have some pieds in there! You may be able to see pattern on them and see if they're white in the next few days by candling them.

Good Luck!

I voted you got fleeced, cause I don't trust many people on ksl classifieds to know much about their snakes...

Technically 25% chances per eggs.

My first year shooting for pieds I hatch 4 pieds out of 8 eggs ;)

Now since you have doubt about your female try not to get too excited just in case she does not prove out.

Also remember if she does not prove this time around it does not mean you should rule her out as a het pied it might take another try to prove her out, all depends on your luck ;)

Hopefully she will prove out for you and you will hatch a few pieds :gj:

About proving..... like Deb said.... Don't be discouraged if you dont hit Pied first time..
I read story that somebody Hit they recessive ( i believe that was albino) in fourth breeding... ( i know Odds Gods was in da Bad mood :O)...
But I wish You minimum one visual :gj:

At day 48 you should be able to tell how many pieds you have if you have a good light for candling. It's pretty easy to see the pattern through the egg.

Maybe my light isn't bright enough, because I can see veins and shadows, but no patterns at all. And it seems to me like a pretty bright light.

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Originally Posted by vpjimmyd

Maybe my light isn't bright enough, because I can see veins and shadows, but no patterns at all. And it seems to me like a pretty bright light.

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Maybe that just means they're all high white pieds. ;) Never hurts to think positive. Honestly, who knows how it will turn out but I will vote the best possible odds if for no other reason than to show the Odds Gods that I wish good fortune on others so maybe they will give it to me as well!

Good luck, may the Pieds be with you!

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Originally Posted by vpjimmyd

Maybe my light isn't bright enough, because I can see veins and shadows, but no patterns at all. And it seems to me like a pretty bright light.

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Are you candling in a pitch dark room?

Can we see a pic of the females belly? If she carries the het pied marker, I would feel more hopeful than if she didn't...Although some het pieds have no markers and some normals carrie a "marker". Just my thoughts. My gut says you got fleeced, but Good luck! Here's to some Pieds!

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Originally Posted by J.Vandegrift

Are you candling in a pitch dark room?

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It's not perfectly pitch dark, but it is the middle of the night and the lights are off, so it's close.

I think the biggest problem is user inexperience, to be honest. :rolleyes: I can see the snake moving around in there, but I have a hard time discerning anything but shape.

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

Can we see a pic of the females belly? If she carries the het pied marker, I would feel more hopeful than if she didn't...Although some het pieds have no markers and some normals carrie a "marker". Just my thoughts. My gut says you got fleeced, but Good luck! Here's to some Pieds!

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I'll work on getting a belly pic when I get home tonight, but I honestly don't remember if she carries the marker or not. I didn't worry about it too much and don't put much store in the het pied marker, because, like you said, it's not a true marker.

The guy swore up and down that she produced 2 pieds for him a year earlier. Even knowing that, he kept calling her a "66% het," which I thought was pretty funny seeing as he had proven her out.

He was selling off his whole collection and getting out of BPs altogether for health reasons. Here's hoping he had his facts straight, at least with regards to this girl. :please::please::please:

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Originally Posted by vpjimmyd

I'll work on getting a belly pic when I get home tonight, but I honestly don't remember if she carries the marker or not. I didn't worry about it too much and don't put much store in the het pied marker, because, like you said, it's not a true marker.

The guy swore up and down that she produced 2 pieds for him a year earlier. Even knowing that, he kept calling her a "66% het," which I thought was pretty funny seeing as he had proven her out.

He was selling off his whole collection and getting out of BPs altogether for health reasons. Here's hoping he had his facts straight, at least with regards to this girl. :please::please::please:

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I'll say this...My hets have very obvious markers. I'll get pics of them tonight. If i'm looking through a bunch of possible hets and see some with markers...I know which ones i'm holding back.

I voted for 2 pieds. Best of luck for you. Keep us updated.

Just for reference...Here is my Het Pieds belly.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...y/DSC_0184.jpg

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Originally Posted by DemmBalls

Just for reference...Here is my Het Pieds belly.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...y/DSC_0184.jpg

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Wow. Those are some crazy strong markers.

I didn't get a chance to get belly pictures last night; I'll see if I can get some taken and posted today. Hopefully, we'll prove her out in a couple of days, and then the belly marker discussion will be purely academic. ;)

I can't believe they're at day 50! Time flies and crawls at the same time. :sigh2:

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Originally Posted by vpjimmyd

Wow. Those are some crazy strong markers.

I didn't get a chance to get belly pictures last night; I'll see if I can get some taken and posted today. Hopefully, we'll prove her out in a couple of days, and then the belly marker discussion will be purely academic. ;)

I can't believe they're at day 50! Time flies and crawls at the same time. :sigh2:

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I agree...Just wanted to show you my het. and his strong markers. I think markers are a great reference if you know the snakes genetic background, but without that it is still just an educated guess. I have seen pet store animals w/ slight markers. If it was a female I would have purchased it just to use it as a dinker and try and prove it out.

Anyway...In several days you will hopefully have all the proof you need. Baby Pieds don't lie! :D

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by vpjimmyd

Wow. Those are some crazy strong markers.

I didn't get a chance to get belly pictures last night; I'll see if I can get some taken and posted today. Hopefully, we'll prove her out in a couple of days, and then the belly marker discussion will be purely academic. ;)

I can't believe they're at day 50! Time flies and crawls at the same time. :sigh2:

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This is a crazy post for me, because i have the exact same situation going on. I am at day 53 right now. I am pretty certain of the male, though this is his first clutch for me right now. The female I bought at Tinley last February, and got her for a song. Though, i dont have any papers, and it was not a BP breeder, but rather a Retic Breeder, that got this girl on trade. She has very nice markings though, which is why I took the chance.

Good luck to you on this, and to me. I will tell you my results in a few days

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Originally Posted by freezingdwarf

This is a crazy post for me, because i have the exact same situation going on. I am at day 53 right now. I am pretty certain of the male, though this is his first clutch for me right now. The female I bought at Tinley last February, and got her for a song. Though, i dont have any papers, and it was not a BP breeder, but rather a Retic Breeder, that got this girl on trade. She has very nice markings though, which is why I took the chance.

Good luck to you on this, and to me. I will tell you my results in a few days

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Glad to have a kindred spirit along for the ride. Here's hoping we both hit the jackpot! :gj:

It's day 51..... somebody get this man some scissors.....:snake:

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Originally Posted by garweft

It's day 51..... somebody get this man some scissors.....:snake:

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lol, I'm not sure if I'm going to cut at all. If I do, I'm thinking that I'll give the others 24-48 hours after the first snake pips, then I'll probably cut any that haven't, in case there are problems.

Update? Guessing you got hosed?:(

How did it go